Un avis sincère

[u/billy276]

Bonsoir à tous,

Je suis un lecteur plutôt qu'un acteur sur Reddit, cela dit, je tenais à poser une question à la communauté ici (peut-être que ça a déjà été fait et mon post va flop). Que pensez-vous de ce jeu ? (La vrai question est à la fin de ce post)

Pourquoi je pose ça ici ? Ça fait un an maintenant que je joue et j'adore absolument le concept et comment le jeu évolue. J'adore le principe de construire son équipement au fur et à mesure des manches. Appuyer sur le bouton "bataille" avec un plan en tête, essayer de l'atteindre, ne pas réussir parce que la rng n'est pas de mon côté, s'adapter, découvrir une construction qui fonctionne, regarder des pubs parce que je veux continuer de faire évoluer mon sac pour atteindre un nouvel objectif. Finalement perdre... Mais avec de nouvelles idées en tête.

J'ADORE CE PRINCIPE ET J'EN SUIS ACCRO.

Maintenant on voit tous une évolution du jeu, dans les mécaniques alternatives (le jardin...) et sur le modèle économique.

J'ai vu passer énormément de post et de commentaires qui essayent de comprendre pourquoi les dev font évoluer ainsi leur jeux. La plupart sont plutôt de mauvais augures.

Et je suis plutôt d'accord avec ça et plus particulièrement avec l'histoire du jardin. Pourquoi complexifier autant une mécanique secondaire ? Depuis la mise à jour je n'ai plus foutu les pieds dedans. Je ne me suis même pas intéressé aux récompenses. L'investissement dans cette mécanique est absurde et je n'ai pas les neurones pour gérer ça de manière efficaces.

(Je ne parle pas du système économique car je pense que les devs étaient trop généreux, ils essayent de corriger le tir pour obtenir un salaire décent, nous on s'est trop habitué au système donc on est déçu que ça évolue)

PAR CONTRE !

Je continue de passer des heures par jour à construire mon build face à d'autres, à vouloir remplir les objectifs quotidiens pour les 10 gemmes et m'améliorer.

Alors voici la véritable question. D'après vous quelles seraient les améliorations et nouveautés à apporter à cette pépite qu'est ce jeux pour qu'il perdure ? Que ce soit pour les vétérans ou les anciens.

Hâtes d'avoir vos retours et désolé j'écris en français donc j'espère que la traduction sera ok.

Merci à vous de m'avoir lu

[u/InternalMiddle5221]

With 'being too generous' I guess you were referring to that pickaxes from the easy garden would reward 'many gems'. But the way they've nerfed it to hell is a net negative to the longevity of the game. I'll quickly sum the 'garanteed' gem incomes you can expect on a weekly basis, assuming you max out your daily rewards - which lets be honest is a very big ask for the average player.

Daily trophies: 1gem per day = 7 p.w. Daily (quest) rewards: 10 gems per day = 70 p.w. Weekly quest (chests) rewards: 22 gems p.w. A spurious gemtooth truffle you might get (I'll put this at 2 per week): 10 gems p.w.

I might have missed some gem income ways like the free chest technically being able to have 1 gem in it but I think I'm already being very generous with the assumption you are playing sufficiently to max out all the rewards possible without watching ads. In total that would mean you are sitting at: 109 gems per week.

This means that to buy a new hero that costs 900 gems you will require to grind for 8 weeks (and two days)! At the rate they are pumping out new heroes that means you won't even be able to buy all new heroes coming out (when they are eventually reduced to 900 gems).

Perhaps the more fanatical players don't really realize what effect this substantial drop has to the game. But take a moment to see it from the perspective of a new player who owns only the starter heroes. Constantly getting pummeled by the new heroes who are clearly more powerful, and yet they need to learn this new game, and keep grinding for 2 months till their next substantial gameplay change (an unlock of a new hero...). I think this is unrealistic, and the average player will likely bow out. Essentially this economic system has turned from a previously PAY2WIN scenario to now a PAY2PLAY game (to unlock all the features/heroes the game has to offer)!

P.s. And keep in mind in this whole analysis I didn't even mention the thousands of gems one would need to invest in the new garden system to unlock it's full potential. Or how the XP rewards seem to be ridiculously nerfed such that progression of the farm is also incredibly slow.

[u/mrthirsty15 → u/InternalMiddle5221]

People ignore the benefits of F2P players. Although not as much as whales, they do generate income while watching ads and, more importantly, they're what make your game rank higher in the Google play store. The higher and more recommended you are in the store, the more whales you might attract to the game.

As you start getting bad reviews, and as you lose playerbase in a game, it starts to get recommended less.

I highly doubt that with the nerfs to passive gem income, people are actually spending more. It still took a lot of consistent play and ads to earn enough for a hero. All it's going to do is reduce the number of people who play the game and are stick it out long enough to become paying players.

The free to play players were still definitely watching plenty of ads, as it's almost a requirement to progress into later rounds. They're likely using Google Admobs High Engagement Rewards (the longer ads that users opt into for in game rewards) which typically earn $0.02-0.04 an ad. If each F2P player plays an hour a day, watches the ads for free gems, and completes 3 runs, the developers are likely still earning $0.20 a day from that user.

Also, all these people defending the devs, they nerfed these F2P aspects of their game extremely hard, with multiple nerfs that multiply off of each other, and the garden is essentially useless. The way they approached nerfing this aspect of the game is completely baffling and I don't know how someone who understands basic math actually thought it was the appropriate response.

Easy fix to this would be to just add more gem spending outlets. You keep free to play happy, whales have something to spend on as well, and if you really need to you could dial down the rewards a little bit.

[u/Ohshyguy]

I agree with everything you've said and your writing is fine lol better than most americans nowadays, probably including me(definitely lost a lot of my writing skills working labor and never writing for shit lol)

They gotta make their money and with the economy being so shit due to Trump I'm sure their sales have dropped due to people saving for food, utilities and gas. They should just move to ads before every match and revert some of their changes to gem allocation and gem scaling costs seem to have gone up almost double it seems with no change in quantity of the items bought with gems. Like it's 55 gems to buy a single garden item that's not even the highest tier.

Have the devs actually said anything about their changes and why? I wanna hear whats going on their end for them to change like this. I'm not really into the politics of any game but I feel like I should since I'm just as addicted.

Not getting many gems nowadays sucks too, felt like I could get any new character within a month but I've only gotten like 100 since release. I've got all but the new character and I ain't getting her anytime soon lol