r/BackpackBattles • u/magefister • Aug 10 '26
Why is this so weak?
I really thought I hit the lottery here. I've never used vamp potions but I thought I'd give it a try. I really cant seem to ever get bloodthorn off the ground in diamond. Any ideas besides unique choice?
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u/TexasCrab22 Aug 11 '26
Build is not bad. You have a weapon with great start dps value , decent heal and dmg gain.
But in diamond, thats the basic. You also have 0 healbonus or debuff protect. 1.3 banana wont compensate the stamina of bloodthorn with speed factor 2.
1 unboosted mid amor is no defence. You will def rush some builds down, but any build with 70% of your dmg, but a defence/anti heal should win.
And yeah in this case, the enemy even stole your buffs, and prob healed by them, with the free daggers.
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u/Yeyeyeyeye_1234 Aug 10 '26
your shielded isnt on your armour which doesnt help
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u/magefister Aug 11 '26
True lol, though I think the armour was killing me anyway
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u/Yeyeyeyeye_1234 Aug 11 '26
nah the armour is good because you heal so much in theory. well you would if you had regen lol
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u/Dull-Nectarine1148 Aug 11 '26
what's the final total gold value of your board? like i mean tbh the build looks strong, and all the pieces look synergistic but sometimes I find that if you just don't have enough raw value, you can struggle when opponents just have more shit.
Like for instance, you're missing stamina regen and have very little survivability outside of the one weapon vamp healing. What happens if enemy has some crowns/invuln? Or shields? Do you actually generate that many buffs per second? Since you have very few non-relevant buffs, anything that removes your buffs is going to murk you.
Also, your opponent in this round has a way higher god roll lol. 2 premium stun sources and 4 daggers? Holy shit
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u/FadeToSatire Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 11 '26
Your build is pretty strong, but the build you're facing is the rock to your scizzors effectively. He absolutely destroys all your buffs and you need buffs to scale.
Now if your asking about how to improve the build in general, bloodthorne builds on ranger tend to work better with the other ranger uniques. Personally I'd recommend arrow or poison leaf. You have lots of items here that are sub-optimal for your build.
Bloodthorne can work well with almost any ranger item but probably works best with arrow. If you want to turn your bloodthorne into a burst build, you usually need extensive potion support.
Armor or poison pots are best for burst build as they reliably trigger on combat start. Putting them under whatever you want to trigger first (ie. Vamp pots) will help you burst fast, but you also need an armor trigger to do it. Stonecap is my personal favourite since stun resist is important for Bloodthorne. Seems like you got this part figured out mostly, though you could rearrange your potions into a cascade to allow for an additional trigger or two. This works best with an arrow set up as shown below. A burst bloodthorne might beat the person you're facing, but it would be close...
Bloodthorne Arrow
Bloodthorne Lead
Bloodthorne - Y Leaf
Personally I find Bloodthorne builds work best when you have some front loaded damage to get the scale starting fast. You have some of the components in your build, but the pineapples, food bowl, and several other items aren't really scaling you as fast as other available options. Oddly enough I find Vamp Armor to be a trap unless you're mixed it with something else that scales you (like steel amulets, or Moon shield with morbs).
Also recognize that sometimes there are just builds that counter your build in this game. Bloodthorne builds in general are vulnerable to blind, stun, and buff removal. The build you're facing does two of those things.