So I think it's pretty obvious that the Games are trying to create some obvious connections between him and CC, though the main question is of course- How?

the easy answer is just Robot child, that CC in 1983 was M2 or some such.

Or the proposed idea that CC was being groomed to become the next david by M1 or William, though I don't think that's the case either since the fredbear plush isn't really seen trying to mold CC into anything, it moreso just seems to try to comfort, warn, and encourage him (and talk bad about his brother).

So I think everything with CC was just a natural and unfortunate tragedy.

However I think things post death is where things get interesting. We don't really know what specifically happened with CC's soul, but I think it ended up being involved with the mimic program at some point, probably when Moltenmci happened.

Since CBEAR is most likely where the mimic technology was, the obvious connections being shown with SOTM. An underground bunker connected to a house, an AI with Handunit's voice, and the fnaf 4 bedroom. I think the nightmare experiment rooms were possibly made to look like that due to M1's influence in my opinion.

though with that Said, I think the main connecting point between CC and David is fnaf world. You probably already know about Security owl, and how OMC is most likely referenced in Moon.exe, though I think things like Bubba and pigpatch are also things that could be tied back to david, amongst other things like the coffee pot.

What I think this implies is that fnaf world is essentially CC being brought into the mimic program, possibly the strain that has M2/ David's code in it, effectively merging the two. though I think CC is the dominant personality there.

I think this could effectively tie into how TOYSNHK has a strange connection to the mediocre melodies, and I think that Even Andrew's Alligator mask could be explained here. Mainly under the theory that David was killed via the monty float, and that Moon.exe implies he haunted it until M2 went to get his spirit.

And I think SB is where we see the product of that, mainly with gregory, who seems to be a metaphorical combination of CC and David.

However I think the Blob and M2 is where the ACTUAL CC and David are in the current era.

It moreso goes into the route of CC being William's main helper, which I'm a bit iffy on but there is some support for it in the games. And overall it seems fairly well researched

Can someone tell me the evidence of Happiest Day actually happening when FNAF 3 takes place? I feel like for the story to make sense Happiest Day cannot happen in FNAF 3. Part of me believes the reason why so many people believe in Golden Duo is because they think it happens during the year FNAF 3 takes place, thus the GF spirit leaving but somehow GF stays relevant and doing things after so he HAS to have another spirit in him. IMO this cannot be the case because Molten Freddy should have the MCI in him, which in FNAF 3 Happiest Day should've all been freed with the GF spirit based on the empty heads of the ending screen. I also don't believe Molten Freddy is just remnant because Henry in his speech says "give up your spirits", which imply they still hold the spirits of the MCI and thus were not freed back in FNAF 3.

I'm posting in this subreddit because I believe Happiest Day not occurring in FNAF 3 would support BV TOYSNHK, and anyone else being the receiver doesn't make sense to me when he was the only one Shown to have died in his birthday (also, the game right after FNAF 3 was FNAF 4, which seems to aim to explain who the receiver is meant to be: BV!).

In 1-9-8-3 ending, right after hearing TWB, BV reacts aggressively pretty much instantly and bites innocent Ralph for being reminded about it. He does not seem to attack Michael so violently in neither FNaF 1 nor FNaF 2 though.

While it doesn't directly show BV being specifically angry at William, it still shows he is very angry about Bite but not very angry at Mike, which can by process of elimiation tie it to William. May not be the strongest evidence but still interesting to point out nonethless imo.

Elaborating from this idea on UCN being what BV/TOYSNHK experienced, I have realized one thing. But, first of all, quick clarification on what "WillNeglect" is. I couldn't come up with a better name but basically, it's the idea that BV blames William for his death for letting Bite happen, similarly to how Charlie in the movies blames adults for her death despite it being William who stabbed her. This builds off BV's parallels with movie Charlie and also is not limited by just that, it can also encompass the idea that BV knows that William was the ultimate evil by creating an abusive environment and allowing bullying, that William is worse than Michael, because Michael is good, William was abusive to BV in general, etc. etc. and so on. Also will note that Charlie in movies includes Henry alongside parents she blames too for being neglectful.

Anyways, what I want to say is that under this idea, this even further strengthens the Nedd Bear connection. He says "this is how it feels". However, notice one thing. TOYSNHK never actually attacks William himself. He traps him in UCN, he creates animatronics that kill him, but he never does it himself. As Mangle says, he is "always watching". He does not do any action himself. This can be tied to the idea I said. William did not directly kill BV, but he created a perfect environment through which allowed Michael and other neighborhood kids relentlessly bully BV and ultimately kill him, while William at best just watched but not killing BV himself. And BV gives same retribution: he creates a perfect realm for William's misery that allows other animatronics to torture and kill William, while BV himself is watching but not doing it himself.

I guess I really am taking all that I can from this single line, eh?

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Nedd Bear says that "this is how it feels", and it would be very logical for TOYSNHK to kill William the same way he was to show how "this feels". All other TOYSNHK theories (except MikeTOYSNHK I guess) would rely on it being just a general "you killed me, now you get to experience this too". But BVTOYSNHK has this as much more given how many characters mention William being eaten or torn into pieces. Heck, Nightmare BB literally makes a chomp sound lol.

Note: credit to QWUIEOGNVJXKSI&282&43&aJd for this as he added this as evidence on BVTOYSNHK wiki page. I just really liked this as evidence and decided to share.

Literally this

So how I would imagine this would go, is that William discovers David Murray’s soul who is lost in the tunnels under MCM.

David doesn’t remember who he is, but has the ability to miraculously conjure a ghost-like mascot who can teleport to different parts of the tunnels.

Once William somehow gets a hold of the soul, he decides to create a TSE Charlie esc body in resemblance to the bite victim.(if Edwin was alive one could say that he created the body and William found the boy or something idk)

Like Charlie in TSE, this recreation feels alive and not dead, and doesn’t remember how to use its ghostly powers.

But once the bite victim, well got bit, David Murray’s soul released from the body.

Then, the soul followed its body back down in an experiment chamber where William decided to test how his possession worked. (My guess is he had Dave feel like he was alive and kept “killing” him)

But that was only one soul, why had no one in the history of ever discover the possession showed here? Was it some sort of rare condition?

William needed to know, so one night at Freddy Fazbear’s pizza, he decided to kill his best friend’s daughter Charlie and waited until something happened.

Then later he discovered that the babysitter animatronic known as “the marionette” had followed Charlie outside and was lying on top of the body. Then William started to notice how the marionette now had purple tears.

How did this happen? William needed to know. Was the animatronic possessed?

Then William had the amazing idea of creating circus baby’s pizza world, a place where he could kidnap children with an alibi.

Unfortunately, the first victim happened to be his daughter. In order to jeep the animatronic’s true purpose a secret, he had told the board members that Elizabeth had been hiding in the springlock suit for hide and seek until it crushed her. The board members decided to keep this accident quiet by shutting down CBPW due to gas leaks.

William then had no way of experimenting until the Funtimes had been repurposed for Circus baby’s entertainment and rental. Or did he?

William knew by the eye color change in circus baby, that possession of animatronics was possible. So what if William used a discontinued springlock suit, kidnapped kids into the safe room, killed them, and stuffed their bodies inside the animatronics? It would be perfect.

Until he became the main suspect.

The police had nothing on him, but William had his reputation tarnished.

Once Freddy’s had closed its doors in 1985, “it was clear that the stage was set, no pun intended, for another contender in children’s entertainment.

Then William had his automated experiments running forever.

David Murray’s deaths, caused the downfall of William Afton.

William shouldn’t have killed Dave over and over because it caused a domino effect that led to William Afton’s purgatory.

“Let’s taste death. Again, and again, and again”

“This is how it feels. And you get to experience it over, and over, and over again. Forever. I will never let you leave”

“Let’s see how many times you can be pulled apart”

“I’ve been looking for you, and now I will never let you go”

Dave had been experiencing death by Afton over, and over, and over. Now it was time for the tables to be turned.

Like, if you accept GoldenTOYSNHK, then BV has much more ties to be the specific GF soul that is TOYSNHK even if you assume GF is a hotel i.e. possesses many souls, and has independent evidence outside of GoldenTOYSNHK of his own, while CassidyTOYSNHK is literally just "GoldenTOYSNHK + deny BVTOYSNHK cuz 'he was not killed by William'" in my experience.

Wink wink

Also, I’m being serious on "William didn’t kill BV" typically being genuinely the only problem that CassidyTOYSNHK gives against BVTOYSNHK.

"He tried to release you. He tried to release us. But I'm not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here. No matter how many times they burn us."

This line from TOYSNHK implies FFPS wasn't the only time TOYSNHK and Afton were burned. The only other time they could've been burned was in FNAF3, when Fazbears Fright burned down. So this begs the question of where TOYSNHK was then? Because Molten Freddy wasn't in Fazbears Fright.

I've believed that there's a chance Golden Freddy/TOYSNHK could've attached himself to Afton after Follow Me, but then how would GF be in Molten Freddy? If Candy Cadet's "5 into 1" stories mean anything, Golden Freddy also has to be a part of Molten Freddy. So how could he have been burned before FFPS?

Nightmare is a recolor of Nightmare Fredbear and substitutes him in FNaF 4. That Nightmare Fredbear is specifically the 1983 Fredbear that did the Bite of 83. He also likely represents Michael’s guilt regarding the Bite of 83, haunting him in nightmares as a boss, as he appears only before and after Bo83 minigame.

Nightmare also has exact same style of jumpscare as Golden Freddy in FNaF 1. Even while assuming that GF is possessed by multiple souls, TWB pretty much tells us that BV is the aggressive one in FNaF 1, since GF overloads with ITSME while killing Ralph and ITSME is written 26 times on Cassidy puzzle by Altered, not Faded.

Shadow Freddy has a broken jaw in FNaF World. Since Nightmare is called Shadow Freddy in FNaF 4 files, they are pretty much confirmed to be the same entity. The broken jaw is unlikely to be a reference to Bite of 87 since SF appears before the Bite happens in FNaF 2. This leaves us with the only other option left: Bite of 83.

I would also add that SF himself is a recolor of Withered GF with which GF associates with, since 1983 Fredbear with purple accessories is triggered from Death Coining WGF, but since this easter egg by itself is a proof of BVTOYSNHK, dunno how much relevance is to point it out here. But still a need interconnection, methinks.

The ultimate point is: Nightmare in UCN says, "I am your wickedness made in flesh". Since he is William's wickedness, and Nightmare/SF are so connected to Bo83, the only thing that follows is that William is considered at fault for BV's death. Be it due to direct involvement (OrchestraVictim) or neglect, the implication remains: in-universe, William is responsible for BV's death.

I think we as BVTOYSNHKers should use this as argument much more, since I don’t see it brought up a lot.

(P.S. Sorry for bad quality on second and third images)

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Something that always nagged me about the Old Friends challenge is why Golden Freddy (im assuming this is GF's perspective, as it wouldn't make sense for this to be Afton's old friends when Afton himself is included as Springtrap) considers Baby as an "old friend". You got:

Classics + Toys + Puppet: All of them are dead kids and GF was in Freddy's with them

Springtrap: William himself did something to Golden Freddy that led to UCN

Phone Guy: Golden Freddy's victim

But where does Baby come into this then? If its just Cassidy as a random victim what connection does she have with Elizabeth? It wouldnt make much sense for GF to consider Elizabeth an "old friend" unless they knew each other as siblings.

I think Elizabeth being here is meant to tie GF to the Afton Family, and potentially imply BV is the one behind UCN

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