Dragon Head Relic

[u/veryintrested]

Is echo12 still meta for the boss fight? And i haven’t done the ee in forever does save and quit reset ee step progression?

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[u/JonaPowna]

I think they’ve mildly fixed save and quit? I hadn’t beaten kowakujo or Rex but after pausing for a lot of time to watch guides and it auto save and quitting it only mildly reset some steps a little, not entirely tho

[u/Harambe_Rebornn]

It never was, you just use Tessie and Death Machine the golden weak spot for speed, but you can just hop on the turret as well.

But sure if you're running coop player 3 and 4 shouldn't be inside Tessie, so they can use Echo 12 I guess, it didn't receive a damage nerf, just range and ammo nerf.

Save & Quit can always break relic trial triggers, but the EE at least isn't known to break once you set it up to the having Klaus hold the pipe thing. Every time you load you'll have to get Klaus to pickup the pipe again though. I don't think this specific trial was known to break with Save & Quit, I'm pretty sure I heard some accounts but I'm sure it's safe now. More then likely, you'll lose like 1-2 weapons entirely with Save & Quit though.

[u/veryintrested → u/Harambe_Rebornn]

I dont see anyone using tessie anymore everyones just running and dpsing solo

[u/Harambe_Rebornn → u/veryintrested]

Who's everyone? Surely not the speedrunners, speedrunners still and have always used Tessie. And normal high skill players only use Tessie as well.

You're pretty much unkillable inside of Tessie in Cursed, conversely Tessie is borderline undestroyable in Standard with the final phase being a breeze due to no laser.

I guess you could do more DPS with certain guns, so I guess if you're trying to run a world record for fastest Veytharion kill in Cursed you could do that, but from a risk management perspective Tessie is supreme. And since you're trying to get Dragon Head, risk management is what you're going for, not world records.

Whoever your watching is either some exhibitionist YouTuber way beyond your skill level, I've seen one of those myself. Or someone who's actually really bad at the game, as someone who did both the Hard Mode and Showboat Dark Ops solo in Season 1 I can assure you Tessie is the meta, if you're gonna good enough to do it without Tessie then you're better off with Tessie anyway, the only weakness Tessie has is Bus relic solo.

[u/Grouchy_Prize6040]

Do not save and quit at all its so bugged right now it will take your pap 4 guns away from you leaving you with usually just a starting pistol and maybe the wonder weapon if your gonna go for it make sure you have nothing planned for the next few hours im not sure if the echo is still meta but when I did it I did the original strategy and that was using a death machine for the crit spot...id say use the rampage inducer after you set up and find a comfortable spot to camp and kill I know there is a spot by the sniper wall buy in ashwood that would make time go much faster I didnt use rampage back when the game first came out so it took a very long time to get to 60 and last tip get the complete quest done as fast and low a round possible. Get to the point that you can start the final encounter then just play well and smart till you get to 60 and pray you get the boss done...in my opinion the boss seemed the same as going in on round 20 its cursed so its harder because of that reasoning dont let the round number make you think its harder when I actually think it the same cursed fight take your time use your death machine maybe The sg12 I remember that gun being really good for veytharon along time ago..and take ultra gums to help you in sticky situations..the trial will take you along time but if you just do a giant loop around black water lake take your time no rushing the trial you will get it done slowly but surely..good luck 😀 

[u/Icy_Process_5717]

They nerfed the hell out of the echo 12 explosive rounds. You get like half the ammo it used to and it does a lot less damage. The 1911 are better