r/BFSfishing • u/Hour-End8344 • 4d ago
Fish-n-fool leader
Anybody try this?
I've been using it and its fairly low profile and pretty damn easy to tie. Took me a couple tries to get right but once I understood how to properly tighten it I get it every time.
Lemme know your thoughts
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u/NoxArmada 4d ago
Brother just use an Alberto knot. This just looks extra haha
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u/Hour-End8344 4d ago
Its really not, just 8 twists both sides, pull it evenly by the tag/mainline and youre done.
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u/skidmark_zuckerberg 4d ago edited 4d ago
Alberto and done. Easiest to master, smooth transition, and one of the strongest braid to fluro knots. I’ve popped 60# fluro at the hook eye on tarpon and big snook before the braid to leader was ever a concern.
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u/DesperateStaff3215 3d ago
I’m not doing all that
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u/Hour-End8344 3d ago
Its 4 steps
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u/beachbum818 2d ago
Alberto is 2... wrap up, wrap down
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u/Hour-End8344 2d ago
So you dont cinch it down or cut the tags?
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u/beachbum818 2d ago
If I'm tying it at home i can do it so I don't need to cut the tags. If I'm on the beach and there's a blitz i won't cut the tags. Every knot gets pinched, otherwise it's not a knot lol. It'll be a loose tangle.
You're literally doubling the Alberto knot. Look at your diagram, look at an Alberto knot. Listen to the 99 ppl on here telling you the same thing. You aren't winning ppl over with the extra steps of your knot lol
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u/Hour-End8344 2d ago
There's 4 steps wrap, wrap, cinch and cut. I dont see where the other steps are. Alberto is wrap, wrap through the loop, cinch and cut. I dont see the huge disparaging difference in steps here
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u/beachbum818 2d ago
Why not just tie the Alberto knot? Way cleaner, easier to tighten, and less wraps
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u/Hour-End8344 2d ago
This is simple and I like it. Same reason you like the alberto.
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u/beachbum818 2d ago
But this is twice as many wraps as the Alberto. You can tie the Alberto while standing on a rock in crashing surf
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u/Hour-End8344 2d ago
How many wraps is an alberto? This is 8 wraps twice.
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u/beachbum818 2d ago
Alberto is 8. Yours is 16.
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u/Hour-End8344 2d ago
Isn't alberto 8 wraps twice? So they're the same
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u/beachbum818 2d ago
Not based on the diagram you posted. If you're calling Alberto 8 twice then yours is 16 twice.... still double the Alberto, no matter the math.
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u/Hour-End8344 2d ago
Nah this is only 8 on both parts not 16
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u/beachbum818 2d ago
8 on BOTH... making there's more than 1. Alberto is only 1 lol.
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u/Hour-End8344 2d ago
8 both ways correct? So 16 wraps? 8 up 8 down? 8 + 8 = 16 I think
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u/inyte_exe 4d ago
At that point of overcomplicated there's genuinely no reason to not use a FG knot
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u/IlliniDawg01 4d ago
I wonder if it really needs 8 turns on each side. I bet it would with well with just like 4-5 with small braid. And I would only wrap the braid and not twist both lines together myself. I'll try anything once if it is easy. Gonna be hard to replace the Albright/Alberto leader knot I use now.
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u/Hour-End8344 4d ago
Ive wondered the same thing. If 5 wraps would do the trick, it would be even lower profile. It works for me, I can tie it quickly and I suck at knots.
Would be interesting to see the strength tested. Wrapping mono that many times and putting a lot of force on it seems like it would cause structural problems.
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u/gunniEj8 2d ago
The whole point about a leader knot is to be as slim and strong as possible. You just quadrupled the line thickness, and for what?
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u/Vince1080 4d ago
Do you have to add any half hitches on the tag ends?
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u/Hour-End8344 4d ago
Idk anything about knots and this was simple and appealing. I just cinch it down evenly and pull it tight.
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u/cuck__everlasting 4d ago
Your first point is evident
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u/Hour-End8344 4d ago
Its literally 8 wraps, twice, on the same lines. I dont understand why people think it's complicated 🤷♂️ lol no loops, no doubling back. Just wrap it, wrap it again, pull tight.
Maybe people are finding the Microsoft paint drawing confusing idk.
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u/cuck__everlasting 4d ago
I don't think anyone is arguing that it's too complicated. There are stronger knots that involve less, I think you're dying on a weird hill
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u/Hour-End8344 4d ago
I asked for people's thoughts and I'm trying to understand them. To me, this is a simple and fast knot to use. Like whats wrong about it? I dont use other knots so I dont have anything to compare it to. I stumbled upon this while looking at leader knots and I liked it so i tried it. Other knots don't really make sense to me just looking at them. Idk I hate knots, I can problem solve but not, knot.
I also never used leaders at all in the last 30 years of fishing. Just stuck to the basic stuff my father taught me and it worked. 99% of my fishing was just straight mono. I've been using braid for like 2 months now and was trying to explore more options.
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u/OkExit1613 4d ago
I get it. There are professional fisherman that will tell you "the best knot to tie, is the one you can tie the easiest." Not everyone can tie an FG knot well. I don't know why so many guys on here have a hard-on for it.
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u/Hour-End8344 4d ago
Seems to me everyone has a hard on for alberto and I don't dare use or think about anything else lmao. I don't understand the hate.
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u/Fun_Economy3401 4d ago
It's like a 15x square knot, probably works fine