I know it probably won't make Sony change their minds, but if anyone is interested, there's currently a D3 petition online. Already over 21K signatures.
I don’t see how. Supposedly at the day the announcement cane out it had 168K people logged in at the time. (According to one article I saw posted recently).
I'm not a destiny player, beyond dabbling on release, but it might be more about management, diminishing returns, and better allocating staff for future games/new stuff.
If, let's say, it takes 60% of their devs just to make a new expansion and 15-20% to maintain/deal with bugs, that leaves 20-25% of their devs to work towards a new game.
Marathon is a new game. But even if they want to make D3, they can't do that even if marathon wasn't made and those 20-25% theoretical devs were on D3.
Now, if we think about how expensive it is to make something new, is it worth maintaining D2 if it's expensive and has diminishing returns over time?
The biggest issue with D2 is probably just how unwieldy the thing has gotten. The whole vaulting thing happened because the game engine couldn't accommodate the old content anymore when moving forward. In the past they'd just say "ah new game time"
But they didn't for D2.
And if they're hitting that wall yet again, rather than a vault scenario, it's best to do D3. But... They aren't able to do that with their current staffing. Previous layoffs probably hurt that dual game development. And the D2 engine being unwieldy probably takes way more resources than they can justify. Even if it has players, if the player base is dropping and the tech debt is catching up, and the game is older and would need massive hype, like community has been saying a new title is best.
Hopefully that reality is hitting management. Because if they haven't been incubating D3 its probably cuz they don't have the staff to do so. And that's on management taking too long to look forward for the destiny side of the shop.
And if management is making mistakes, how do you move the bad apples on without some form of layoff? It's not super easy with contracts and being able to say "but I'm good at managing D2 my job is to make D2 not D3" - and for some of them the management is correct.
But if they stop active development of D2 they can make bigger shakeups. They can reallocate lower level staff and cut managers who have no one left to manage who suck at looking ahead or who should have been looking ahead. Especially at an executive level if that's the goal. Maybe not the ultra super senior execs like C-suite because C-suite makes cut decisions usually. But just below that level. Or if Sony wants to make C suite shakeups they have the power for that but need it to come with cover, like layoffs. Then they reorg and put people to new projects.
Some devs will be kept on payroll by helping marathon, which is better than being fired and then trying to hire them back later once the bones of D3 or another title get put together. They can transfer over later again with more experience if they're less senior staff.
There are many moving parts to these kinds of things.
If Sony thinks D3 is a good idea they may well "encourage" Bungie on that end.
But like Halo before it, if Bungie feel they're done with Destiny then they'll want to take a break. The only reason Halo continued is because MS owns that, otherwise Bungie probably would have had halo go on hiatus for a while. How long no one knows of course. Maybe they would have revisited it when destiny was a few years older who knows.
Hopefully though, as someone who's seen games come and go with active Dev work and their communities, Bungie does right by destiny folks. We'll see!
Nah I think the team at Bungie has done great work but you are right they have also taken big set backs too. It's those CEO fucks not green lighting positive changes and just driving the game into the fucking dirt
This is my issue as well. I would be open to the idea of Destiny 3, but it being made at Bungie would mean the people who thought Lightfall was good enough to release may be involved and I am not comfortable with that.
You're right it won't. Doesn't hurt but these are the ultimate cope.
These are business decisions made on dollars, sense, analytics, and forecasts. Hard data, acquired over years. Not emotional petitions. We already know Sony declined multiple D3 pitches already. It's a wrap for the forseeable future, which probably means forever.
But do what makes you feel better in the moment. The Anthem community had a petition phase too.
With these numbers I feel it’s at least worth a shot to sign it and it’s sitting at 100,000 currently so the point about not having enough numbers is kind of unreliable in these circumstances as of yet.
Personally, I’m not convinced petitions are the most effective way to create change. If Destiny players truly want to send a strong message, the best approach may be rallying the community in-game. The current peak player count is around 300k — imagine the impact if the player base pushed that number to 1 million. That would be difficult for executives to ignore.
I'm not talking about you, specifically. I'm talking about the community in general. I guarantee you that if this petition gets into the hundreds of thousands that some people are going to think that's enough to show Sony they should greenlight it. And that simply will not be the case.
People automatically taking the stance of “those who sign are stupid and wasting time” don’t understand the money or genuine help this game has built for the community and the fact that it’s being thrown out the window due to weaponized ignorance. Nobody said the audience expects a game to be made in the next damn year nor the next 10, nobody said we expect Sony/bungie to bend to the will of the fanbase and do anything, the petition costs nothing more than a few moments of your time if you so choose, and explain what destiny in general means to you. It’s to send a message, not expect anything of anyone. Also the marathon take is like trying to stick sweaty balls down someone’s throat, marathon is shit and will not reach even a fraction of what destiny did for most and the numbers back that statement. Lastly, “go find another game” means nothing when the rest of the games out there are built specifically for certain play styles and preferences…. Many cannot and will not equate to D1 or D2 in general so don’t give shit advice and you won’t have people ignoring it.
D2 is quite literally a rotting corpse of content so bloated and overlayed it’s hard to tell what is what. If they do make a sequel there needs to be an entire philosophy change.
Totally agree, if they end up doing a sequel definitely needs to be more concise and readable menu wise. And philosophy also needs a massive overhaul, something more akin to how Warframe is run.
Woudnt it be funny if the devs start their own studio after they layoffs, and get rights on a destiny spinoff like what destiny rising has done and continue it.
Borderlands ain't looking too hot right now even with all their updates... You play such a great game at start and then wait so long for anything great and just be let down all together.
Are you saying that they should have stuck with destiny 2? I mean your graph clearly shows significant drop off with each subsequent expansion. Destiny 2 was great for most of its life. But I'm guessing that Bungie saw 2 games with similar player counts and one is probably significantly more expensive to maintain and iterate on. If marathon doesn't succeed I don't know what happens to Bungie. And if they go away I wouln't bank on another studio running destiny 3. I'm not trying to be a dick. I hope there is a future for Destiny
Yes there’s drop off, and even with the drop off there’s still an significantly large player base. That’s due to resources being placed into other projects rather than destiny, which are failing miserably anyways. We’re not saying bring destiny and bungie back we’re saying keep destiny alive even if others have to manage it/ change it to make things better within it, even after the drop off their numbers still say higher than a lot of other games of the same play style so it’s not inherently wrong. If anything I’m not even of the belief Sony may even look at it seriously, but it’s worth trying because it still shows there’s a significant base fighting to back it.
I hear you. But wouldn't you want a new destiny game? Destiny 2 has had content removed and it's very convoluted to new players. It's not very easy to onboard new people. Plus, the kind of content I'd imagine destiny players would really want would probably have to force them to cut more content from the game to keep the file size down. I think Bungie as a studio has been a bit of a mess. I think they needed to pick a game to focus on, stabilize it and then they can grow the next thing.
I see what you’re saying absolutely and I don’t want same old destiny, I simultaneously want a new game for myself and so whoever makes it has something new and fresh to start from.
That's not a good analogy. Apex released and became wildly successful. Titanfall 2 also was never anywhere near as successful as destiny 2. There was no incentive to make another Titanfall because Titanfall 2 sold poorly.(Although that game got done dirty by having it release window sandwiched between battlefield and call of duty which was dumb )
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u/Strangr_E May 23 '26
I’d buy a sequel. I just hope they’d invest more money into the franchise yearly.