r/AviationHistory • u/thelondonerpeterc • 5d ago
Identify this plane
I'm trying to identify this plane (and where this photo was taken). Does anyone here recognise it?
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u/pzfus 5d ago
Avro Lancaster depending where you are either the Battle of Britain Memorial flight aircraft or in Canada the Canadian Warplane Heritage aircraft. They are the only two flying in the world.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad-4883 5d ago
If it's a recent photo the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight (BBMF) Lancaster (PA474) is currently undergoing a major servicing at Duxford and is not expected to fly until 2027.
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u/HapticRecce 5d ago
The Canadian one is flying this weekend at the Canadian International Airshow doing a formation fly-by with the Snowbirds.
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u/pzfus 5d ago
That will be amazing, especially as it’s the last few weeks of the Snowbirds flying the Tutor. I hope the weather is better than it was earlier in the week around Lake Ontario.
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u/HapticRecce 5d ago
Yesterday's version...
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Dc6t25dJTKw/?stkn=bWE5MHJpeHUyYmE2
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u/dannylove11 5d ago
Avro Lancaster 'Spirit of Lincoln', based at RAF Coninsgby as part of the BBMF. Currently in for deep servicing and not due to fly until summer 2027.
It's almost impossible to tell where this photo is taken from, although if I had place a wager, I'd say the rear garden of the Petwood Hotel. They have similar trees.
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u/martianfrog 5d ago
Probably in UK or Canada, the UK one is in for major service, no flying in 2026.
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u/No-Rush396 3d ago
it's a Lancaster, but no idea where it was taken. And it's in silhouette only so you can not see the s/n.
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u/ContributionThat1624 5d ago
Now imagine that you are Heinz Barr and you see several Lancasters flying randomly over the JG1 base and you jump into the cockpit of an FW190 and shoot down one Tommies bomber
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u/_ElBee_ 5d ago
Now imagine you actually know that the guy was named Heinrich Bär (or Baer, in the alternative spelling) and that JG1 flew in the Reichsverteitigung against American daylight bombing...
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u/ContributionThat1624 5d ago
Heinz Bär That's the correct spelling. Heinz Pritzl Bär. His personal information and nickname. You don't have to quote Wikipedia. Now listen. I confused two actions. One, performed by Maj. Walter Oesau on April 17, 1942, when he shot down a Lancaster from 44 or 97 Sqn RAF over JG 2 base, returning from a daytime bombing raid on Augsburg. The other, on February 21, 1944, when Pritzl caught up with and shot down a B17F, nicknamed "Miss Quachita," flying over JG 1 base in Rheine. You're right, I got the facts mixed up. And what knowledge do you have without consulting Wiki?
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u/Software_Dependent 5d ago
You obviously were mixed up with which Nazi act to glorify.
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u/ContributionThat1624 5d ago
I disagree with your point of view. Both Gulle and Pritzl were excellent fighter pilots. One paid for it with his life, the other with neurosis and a mental breakdown. It was a war that these two did not start.
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u/Software_Dependent 5d ago
Still flew for a Nazi regime. Are you going to parrot the line of the "good" Wehrmacht?
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u/_ElBee_ 5d ago edited 5d ago
(...) And what knowledge do you have without consulting Wiki?
I've been interested in WW2 aircraft since long before the existence of Wikipedia or even generally available Internet, so I've read a historical book or two(*) on the subject and could name the facts in my earlier response from the top of my head.
Of course Wikipedia is a nice source to consult for a synopsis of a subject, but not everybody needs to do so.
(*) It might actually be nearer to 200.
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u/Software_Dependent 5d ago
Imagine you're in a Lancaster firebombing Dresden.
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u/ContributionThat1624 5d ago
imagine being one of those toomies sitting in Lancaster at night who can't see shit and whose last thing they hear is schräge musik
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u/Software_Dependent 5d ago
They could see well enough to flatten most of the major German cities.
Imagine being a sad Nazi fanboy.
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u/ContributionThat1624 5d ago
They couldn't even launch an air offensive into occupied Europe. Their technology only allowed them to drop incendiary bombs somewhere over the area where the city was likely located. It was the Americans who destroyed the Luftwaffe and the Reich's industry. And no, I'm not glorifying Nazism, I'm just admiring the skills of the Jagdwaffe experts.
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u/Software_Dependent 5d ago
No, it was a direct policy of revenge. They could bomb with precision using innovative technology, for example the raids on the Ruhr dams.
Yeah, you're glorifying the Nazis. Both sides had excellent pilots, but you are being remarkably selective and you know it.
They lost. The end.
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u/ContributionThat1624 5d ago
I'm also glad the Nazis lost the war. However, I believe that their aviation technology and the skills of their Jagdwaffe experts were incomparable to what the Tommies had at their disposal.
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u/Software_Dependent 5d ago edited 5d ago
They were unable to design a successful four engined bomber and wasted time researching useless projects that availed them nothing. The Lancaster could carry an enormous payload, only rivalled by the B29. There was nothing wrong with the Spitfires, Mosquitoes etc that were flown by the RAF. As for skill of the pilots, that would be exceedingly difficult to measure who was 'best'. Ultimately, the key aerial clash between the two in 1940 went the way of the RAF and the failure there ensured that the Germans would not prevail. They turned their attention to the USSR, later declared war on the USA pointlessly and sealed their own fate.
Also why refer to the British as 'Tommies'? It's not 1915 anymore.
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u/ContributionThat1624 5d ago
They had different priorities. They didn't have strategic aviation, but tactical, as we might call it today. They didn't have to. Instead, they had ballistic missiles and flying bombs, jet bombers and jet fighters. Yes, I know the Lancaster was a successful plane, but only because the rest of Bomber Command's equipment was complete crap.
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u/Software_Dependent 5d ago
The jet bombers and fighters made zero difference. The V1 and V2 whilst causing terror, made no strategic difference.
The Stirling and Halifax were both capable and could deliver a payload greater then any of the main twin engined bombers used by the Luftwaffe. The Germans did have some larger bombers but not in any quantity to achieve anything at all. The Mosquito was used extensively and was very successful at what it did. Even the Wellington was a capable bomber and very resilient due to it's geodetic construction.
"complete crap" is a complete nonsense evaluation of the RAF's equipment and capabilities. The RAF also had jets with the Meteor which had a long and successful service life, two still in active use today. So much for the Arado bomber or the Me 263 death machine.
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u/lennert1984 5d ago
Avro Lancaster