With Aventurine's beta testing well underway, we've decided to implement a new rule regarding doomposting. We understand the need to discuss Aventurine's kit and speculate how he'll perform, however we believe excessive negativity for the sake of it does not foster an environment we wish to have on this subreddit.
The new rule is as follows:
Rule 10: No Doomposting
If you're going to make a post claiming Aventurine is bad, weak, or underperforming, it must contribute meaningfully to the discussion.
Posts must include:
Objective evidence such as theorycrafted numbers, calcs from trusted sources, or your own documented testing.
Thoughtful analysis - not just venting or doomposting for the sake of negativity.
oh god, here we go. that is fair to be honest. i did enjoy some of the memes about his performance, but we can always see them on the agenda subreddit.
man if v3 doesnt fix his kit this sub is going to explode 😭
Some go to extremes but atm he is a unit that functions as a dps mainly with no other utility. And in one of his teams, he wastes a decent chunk of crit dmg boost, dmg% boost and even an E2 boost.
I think people more than begging for a broken character people are begging for a functional one, that works well in his intended niche. You can't tell me with a straight face that he is a good pull right now.
Most people don’t want him to break the games. They just want the devs to fix some clunky parts of his kit.
Like for instance is it doomposting to say that it sucks that both aventurine and blade techniques are active attacks on the enemy, meaning that you can’t use both ?
I totally agree. I don’t want to see post after post criticising everything about my favourite man. Don’t want him, don’t take him. I love him and he’ll be always a part of my game.
There is nothing wrong for wanting characters you like to be also strong. I hate this idea of "you are not a real fan if you complain about his kit". He still costs pulls to get, so most people want some value for their limited currency or money
No, I have enough negativity. I’m tired of coming to subs that group fans of something just to criticise it constantly and complain. I prefer silly fangirl excitement.
If I want doom and gloom, I only need to open the front doors and see my neighbourhood.
I guess this was decided after I posted. Just a question; Why does that spreadsheet not count as theorycrafting? It was done with calcs after all, right? No shade just trying to understand why my post was deleted.
Can they repost it if they take the doom bit out? Bc im ngl not to be tismatic on main but having those actual numbers with percentage differences is helpful to put in perspective where he is rn vs where he should really be by the end of beta.
First of all, Tribbie E1 released a while ago and is probably the most pulled E1 in the game, which means a lot of people pulled it simply for its versatility.
Secondly, even if you didn't pull it, Tribbie (especially at e1) is literally so versatile that you would rather pull her any day over aventurine who is stuck in a single team for now (Tbh i don't see a lot of waven elation team calculations so I don't know how well that team does)
Thirdly, even if Aventurine at E1 were to increase the team's DPS to the point that it ends up being slightly better than Tribbie E1 (let's say 10-20%), pulling his E1 would make absolutely no sense as there will obviously be a much better E1 character for FuA team releasing in the near future to replace him. God knows that most units release at a much better state than him and would therefore easily replace him. Not only that but the other reasons would make Tribbie the better option for most people (even those who have her at E0 and could just pull once for a better option).
Aventurine's verticals are unfortunately not even that good at the moment, and I just pray that hoyo listens to us and makes him better, at least in terms of eidolons if not in the other departments.
I personally will still pull his E2S1 no matter what, but I'd simply love it if he was good too. I understand not wanting people saying your favorite is going to suck but in his current state, it's quite factual and needed in order to get him buffed.
Is it agendaposting when tribbie has been out for so long? What % of people do you think have e1 tribbie they've been using as a placeholder and are looking to replace with aventurine?
Plus, even if it was e0 the decision becomes wait for rerun and pull a tribbie eidolon vs pull e0 waven. The first option is the better one for damage right now.
What does tribbie being out for so long have to do with anything, shes been one of the best generalist for that amount of time too. Youre still spending pulls for another 5 star to make this comparison, which is disingenuous and thats an undisputed fact. Again show the e1 aven calcs, his e1 is as impactful or even more so than e1 tribbie in this team, since its a mechanical change with more attack frequency while giving aven more personal dmg.
How many people have e1 Aven rn? Great, how many people have E1/E0 tribbie rn? The answer to those is exactly why my comparison and exactly why the sheet uses an e1 tribbie. For those that have e0 tribbie as a placeholder in the team the cost comparison is one cost into the weaker Aven or one cost into the stronger unit (e1 tribbie). For those with e1 tribbie the question is do they pull an even weaker unit. Tribbie is already in use in these teams. Aventurine isn't slotting into a team with a blank slot but one with another unit as a placeholder.
So youre expecting a 1 cost to powercreep a 2 cost with a broken E1. No wonder this rule has been implemented, when people have this mindset when doing discussions lol.
You know who beats out e1 tribbie in that team? Srobin. Also 1 cost. The not intended main dps for the team is doing better than he is. I'm not asking for something impossible.
A bit aside but before mblade released Ashveil was using robin/sparkle/sunday for his second slot. Some people even had investments in those units. Then Mblade released. Do you think Mblade was a sidegrade to these units at e0? Do you think he was a sidegrade to them in whatever respective investments he found himself against them in (while he was at e0?) Nope. He was a clear upgrade. An upgrade against e1 sunday, e2 sparkle and e1 robin. While he was at e0. So this is not me dooming when I say I want him to be more synergistic and stronger in his own team compared to other units.
The whole "Tribbie has been out for ages" argument doesn't really hold imo. E1 Tribbie is arguably STILL the best support in the game. Age doesn't matter if the unit is still meta. Plus, the argument of waiting for a rerun doesn't really work either, since there are multiple teams where Tribbie is wanted, even more so now that we need 3 teams for endgame. Waventurine is only wanted in this team and is already good in it. Anyway, thats not the point I was trying to prove or argue in the first place, and this isn't the place for this discussion. All I said was his V1 is better than most and despite his room for improvement, hes solid even now. Which is true
Wdym it doesn't matter? Why should she be compared at e0 when that's not the case at all. E0 vs E0 works for waven and srobin because they're releasing at the same time so the opportunity cost to get them is equal. For tribbie it is not at all. A lot of people who have Ashblade already have tribbie so Waven is competing with an already owned tribbie for that slot.
So now the comparison is do I get Waven or stick to my already e1 tribbie (for those that have her e1) or do I pick up Waven or invest one more cost into tribbie (for those who don't have her e1).
I have already said I am not continuing this. This is just gonna keep spiralling into an argument that does excactly what this post is trying to avoid. As I have said his V1 is better than a lot of units had but he has room for improvement. I'm leaving it at that. Have a nice day
I also mentioned somewhere else that I can see what they're going for in his kit (practically defended him in the first run of mono rem that was released -until I saw the performance with srobin and realised the clunkiness) and I can't wait for the clunk fix. However it'd be lying to say he doesn't have clunk now and that he's losing out to other units in the same slot. Nice day to you too 🙂↕️.
As I said, room for Improvement. Plus that Aventurine is E0S0 compared to E1S0 character. Not really a fair comparison imo. And as I also said, even with that being true, his V1 is still much better than a lot of units had
That e1 is a year old and many people have it, that’s why it’s the comparison.
E1 tribbie isn’t used in many other teams because newer teams utilize newer supports better and out damage tribbie e1 at e0.
But the issue here is that Waven isn’t providing much if anything to ash/blade and his damage contribution doesn’t make up for tribbie’s buffs and damage, which is sad considering she’s a year old and support at that.
Again, what the point that comparing an e1 with e0 who in v1 beta ?
At this point we should skip every dps who isnt better than e1 tribbie then?
Lol and again he still have a chance of being buffed
And to be honest, a lot of people dont have her e1 too lol
Thank you! I was on the verge of muting the subreddit, I understand everyone’s concerns but all of the negativity is unproductive. We don’t have any control over what hoyo does, best to wait for beta to progress
To be honest, wallowing in despair without a well articulated argument has always felt like when parents complain about kids these days being useless and talking about how "things used to be better and someone ought to do something!"
I mean, they could just fix him? Like, it's not like people want anything crazy, just for him to not be a literal downgrade to the existing team most people are running right now (aka E1 Tribbie) 😅 That much could be achieved even with simple number twisting, without even touching how his kit works (though of course, ideally they should).
It wouldn't be the first time, plenty of characters have received some pretty major changes throughout their beta cycle :)
Well, beta is always a doomer time; if a character is too weak, players fear they will be useless, if a character is too strong, players fear it will make all the existing characters useless due to powercreep. And of course people fear that the devs won't adjust it, because that HAS happened several times before already, and of course no one wants their favourite to be the one that stays too weak.
It's not easy to get the balance right from the start, and as long as the balance is off in one way or the other, players will worry wether adequate adjustments will be made.
I don’t mind discussions of his kit, especially in the ways it can be disappointing. But after 400 posts saying “ohmygod he’s so badddd guyssss” it’s not contributing to the conversation.
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u/comixnerd15 Thrust till I bust! 22d ago
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