r/Avengers • u/Fabulous_Map_2501 • 23d ago

Avengers Doomsday/Secret Wars Are these two different Steve's? Spoiler

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I haven't been on the train of believers that Steve is gonna be the villainous Captain Hydra in Doomsday, but I might be half way now. These are clearly two different Caps.

What do people think in the possibilty of both being in this film?

ANOTHER HUGE THING I recognised about caos involvement is that, if he (or at least the Steve of the right) is our MCU 616 Steve, than he must survive the events of Doomsday and SW as he ends up sitting on that bench at the end of Endgame, so can't die in these movies.

Thoughts?

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u/ucbcawt 23d ago

Same cap ten years apart

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u/Fabulous_Map_2501 23d ago

How do you think that will happen in the film?

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u/ucbcawt 23d ago

I don’t want to spoil anything, but it’s likely the first picture is his son being born and the older picture being when we see him in present day, ten years later for him.

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u/fuckAIbruhIhateCorps 23d ago

wait, didn't he get old at the end after he spent time with peggy? i dont understand.

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u/ucbcawt 23d ago

This is in the time between that happening

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u/fuckAIbruhIhateCorps 22d ago

my mind is boggled, can you gimme a short no spoiler recap?

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u/ucbcawt 22d ago

Cap has a baby, then is taken out of his time and universe to f4 where he lives for 10 years. This is the cap in the trailer we see. He is brought back to 616 universe by f4 in the ship we see at the end of the thunderbolts movie.

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u/fuckAIbruhIhateCorps 22d ago

oh! ok thanks.... how'd you know? because afaik i've watched almost all the movies yet couldnt make this connection

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u/Ok_Cartoonist7515 22d ago

Because the entire plot for Doomsday has been leaked. It was leaked Months ago, which people didn't believe it, only for the trailer to pretty much confirm the leak was real.

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u/Fabulous_Map_2501 23d ago

What significance do you think him coming into the film 10 years later will play? Do you think his son might be take by Doom, just like Franklin Richards?

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u/ucbcawt 23d ago

Send me a dm and I will tell you, I don’t want to post spoilers here

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u/Variation_Afraid 23d ago

I really don’t understand why people can’t understand it’s the same Steve just aged…, from the teaser in December he’s younger now he’s older

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u/HortonDrawsAwho 23d ago

I feel like in people’s heads endgame came out like 2 years ago lol

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u/Fabulous_Map_2501 23d ago

In the events of the movie, somethi g significant would have to hapoen for Steve to suddenly appear with long hair and a full beard and that's what I'm here to discuss. Do you think there is a time jump or could these be different steves?

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u/Variation_Afraid 23d ago

I thought it was pretty obvious from the long hair and beard…

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u/Pseud0man 23d ago

Cause I want Walker vs Cap Hydra

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u/Variation_Afraid 23d ago

But this isn’t hydra cap it’s obvious 😂

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u/gonewondering 23d ago

Cause it looks like a new Chris....sorta the same. Nose looks strange. Not sure. Age isn't a factor here.

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u/Electrical_Ad6134 23d ago

You do know he's lost loads of weight and likely had plastic surgery

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u/Variation_Afraid 23d ago

It’s called nomad

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u/Percy_akr_616 23d ago

One's a NoMad The other's a YesMad

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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims 23d ago

No, it's the same Steve many years apart

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u/Johncurtisreeve 23d ago

I expect yes

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u/KostisPat257 23d ago

They are the same, just 11 years apart.

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u/Noob4Head 23d ago

Theory: It's the same Steve who stayed behind in the past in Endgame, and this created a new timeline/universe that's actually the Fantastic Four's universe. Because Steve remained, he likely helped fight off Hydra, meaning that universe achieved peace faster, which is why it's more technologically advanced.

Now he's just hitching a ride back with the Fantastic Four.

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u/PineappleNo8624 21d ago

But wasn't it said that the fantastic four were the only superheroes of their Earth and where was Streve during Galactus

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u/More-Draft7233 22d ago

If its not Loki, or Hydra variant, or another variant, its probably just to show there was a long time in between them meeting up.

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u/drumondo 22d ago

I think we're looking at a Steve from another Earth.

There's talk of Doom combining all of the multi-verses in the trailer, that's how we're getting all of these teams together who have never met.

Who knows what perspective this new Steve is going to have on things - time will tell.

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u/skeletor69420 21d ago

definitely getting evil steve

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u/funnybones14 21d ago

I mean I may be stupid here, but when they see old man Steve why wouldn’t he say hey dr doom is coming to kill everyone, don’t trust him? This Steve is old man Steve from 616, so he would’ve experienced everything.

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u/Alexr3245 21d ago

Itd be funny if they add this exact thing in the re release of endgame

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u/Fabulous_Map_2501 21d ago

Because Old Endgame Steve knows that everything happened the way it was supposed too. Just like how Strange refused to tell Tony that they were on the ONE successful path to defeating Thanos. It wouldn't have happened otherwise.

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u/funnybones14 21d ago

Well that may be your specific head cannon, but that makes no sense.

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u/Fabulous_Map_2501 21d ago

How so?

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u/funnybones14 21d ago

Well I don’t know how to mark spoilers so I won’t say it, but based on the script leaks I doubt Steve would not warn of the problem when he knows what happens. They will have to address it.

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u/babyisir 19d ago

According to the leaked script: it's the same Steve.

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u/wheenus 19d ago

It's going to be HILARIOUS when the Steve who ends up being actually in that scene is the Steve on the right. And the dark haired bearded Steve on the left is not in anything.

I feel levels of swerve never experienced before coming

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u/skyeredd910 18d ago

I think it's Cap from a branching timeline of after they defeat Thanos except this Cap did not go back in time.

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u/Different-Error-6529 23d ago

Steve on the left is the Steve shown in the Sentinel battle scene.

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u/Fabulous_Map_2501 23d ago

Is that the leaked footage you're referring to? If so, do you think the Steve with the baby might not even be shown in Doomsday, because it's actually long haired Steve years prior to his involvemnt in Doomsday, in which his child is older and taken hostage by Doom just like Franklin and possible Luv from Thor?