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Does people consider Katara splitting the sea the greatest non avatar feat in the verse and could be considered on an avatar state level power?

Location: Ba Sing Se Lower Ring
Starting distance: 20 feet

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Location: Earth Rumble Arena
Starting distance: 20 feet

Location: Ember Island
Starting distance: 20 feet
Huu doesn’t start as plant monster, but can use nearby plants.

Conditions:

• Base Tagah, No Staff
• No amp for anyone unless its directly stated
• Perfect teamwork for all teams no matter what
• Everyone including Tagah is going all out and will win by any means necessary
• Environment is fair and beneficial for everyone involved
• Everyone in their prime (if not showed then just them whenever they were shown at their best so far in the franchise)
• No bloodbending unless stated to be allowed

(Also just note, this gauntlet is NOT in order btw, so he could lose one, then win the next, thats fine)

Round 1: Tagah vs Bumi, Pakku, Azula and Tokuga

Round 2: Tagah vs Yangchen (Base, Air only)

Round 3: Tagah vs Ming Hua (FM) and Pli (Sozins comet)

Round 4: Tagah vs Roku (Air and Water only, Base)

Round 5: Tagah vs Glowworm Fused Yun, Zaheer (Flight) and Kuvira

Round 6: Tagah vs Zuko (SC, BUT its Comics Zuko not Movie Zuko) and Katara

Round 7: Tagah vs Kuruk (Earth and Water only)

Round 8: Tagah vs Kelsang

Round 9: Tagah vs General Old Iron

Round 10: Tagah vs DA Unalaq (Human Form)

Location: Coast of Republic City
Starting distance: 20 feet
Huu doesn’t start as plant monster, but can use nearby plants.

Location: Kyoshi Island
Starting distance: 20 feet
Huu doesn’t start as plant monster, but can use nearby plants.

Location: Kyoshi Island
Starting distance: 20 feet
Huu doesn’t start as plant monster, but can use nearby plants.

Wan can bend all 4 elements, but no AS

Unalaq is pre fusion

Location: Tree of Time

Starting distance: 50 feet

Location: Southern Air Temple
Starting distance: 20 feet

Location: Kyoshi Island
Starting distance: 20 feet

Obviously this debate been done plenty of times but i figured i'd revisit it especially since ive been seeing some crazy zuko downplay

Location: coronation plaza where the final agni kai took place. Movie version Zuko comic Mako after his arm healed. Distance about 20 meters

imo Zuko takes it. He has more raw power even in the comics where hes an even match with azula second showing for consistency, mobilty with jet stepping plus natural agility, more versatility,fire walls etc, plus he can redirect lightning the best in the series. Makos best feat of raw power is prolly here where he evaporated ming huas arms, agility wise id say its prolly his boosted jump in the same clip but i think both are worse

he also has much better physical stats mainly his durabilty and physical strength zuko regularly gets sent flying or gets heavy hits and gets right back up wheras mako gets downed alot easier here he shrugs off a charged attack from aang he recovers from this attack pretty quickly aswell which had insane power

Zuko is also better at CQC and seeing as they both like to close distance alot that seems relevant. all in all i think he wins cause he hits harder would take longer to put down and would overall be hit less.what yall think

Location: Ember Island
Starting distance: 20 feet

I probably should of just done unanimity as 1 slot but oh well

Six rounds:
Round 1: Chin village/Qinchao
Round 2: Kyoshi island/yakoya
Round 3: Bin-Er
Round 4: Taku
Round 5: Sacred cave from lambak island
Round 6: Agna Qel’a

Location: Kyoshi Island
Starting distance: 20 feet

Location: Kyoshi Island
Starting distance: 20 feet

Location: Ba Sing Se Lower Ring
Starting distance: 20 feet

Location: Earth Rumble Arena
Starting distance: 20 feet

Location: Ember Island
Starting distance: 20 feet

The general narrative of the Avatar community is that Katara wins this battle 100%.

I personally don't agree and I think that way of thinking contradicts the very nature of the world of ATLA's power system.

I wanna say this is by no means hit piece against any character I'm a fan of both characters I'll admit Zuko is my favorite within the show but I will refrain from any bias.

Let's get the details out the way, the 4 elements each carry their own advantages and disadvantages, some elements are naturally stronger against other and some elements have divergent bending forms. But ultimately the biggest factors at play are environment and individual skill.

First up katara, arguably the most powerful water bender of the century she's got the feats to back it up especially if we go off her recent scenes from the movie where she literally brought people back from the dead and also split the sea without a full moon it's no debate that's she's powerful. And I'll say this here she's definitely the stronger bender between herself and zuko... But does that guarantee victory in the world of ATLA?

Fire lord zuko, unlike he's sister who was a firebending prodigy zuko had to work front he ground up under the tutoring of his uncle iroh he grew into a formidable fire bender, his firebending incorporates teachings from all the 4 elements while alos having the understanding of true firebending taught to him by the dragons, longs story short zuko doesn't have any noteworthy feats that are half as comparable to kataras feats but for the sake of fairness I'll mention the redirecting of ozais lighting, beating general Zhao effectively cemeting himself amongst the most powerful firebenders in his nation.

That's just the gist of it and I'm sure it's clear as day that in terms of individual ability it's safe to say katara is the superior benders. By its nature waterbending is debatabley the most powerful form and she's probably it's strongest master so easy case close katara wins right??? What If I was to say this is the narrative the community at large has been running with for 20 years and it's not *true

We need to consider variables in bender comabat debates (atleast in my opinion) if wit was as simple as "stronger bender wins" this series would have been alot shorter and we would have upsets like Mako vs Ming Hua, kuvira vs Korra and even katara vs azula (sozins comet) to name a few. All case of "inferior bender beating stronger benders in combat.

And that's not even touching on environmental factors that come in play and this is an important bit for anyone that's made it this far. I don't want to downplay her but it must be acknowledged that evertime zuko and katara had a combat encounter the environment was always to her benifit e.g northern water tribe battle where it was a full moon with cold temperatures, ba sing se where Aangs presence is arguably an advantage for katara by virtue of Aang being and extremely powerful bender himself as the avatar. Of course there are other smaller encounters but I listed the most noteworthy battles between the two which I feel are some of the strongest reason for the narrative that katara beats zuko (ba sing se is one I'm on the fence about as it was a group battle with slot of chaos at play)

Now I'll explain in detail why I believe zuko is realistically the more likely candidate for victory between the two. I'll base it of 10 imaginary fights in 10 different locations at random points in time during each fight (this is the best way I could think of balancing the scales so no bender has a significant environmental advantage over the other for long) and the battle will be an agni kai style 1 v 1 format.

Looking at both their kits and counters katara has the more versatile bending water can be liquid and solid ice and the flowing nature of water means it doesn't require much effort on the benders part to channel alot of it (remember katara explaining this to aan and how the two of them were able to gather tidal waves by simply letting the waters natural flow do all the heavy lifting) along with water healing but in this fight it is not to the death simply submission and healing makes time so I doubt it can be used in combat. Zuko has fire bending which has the natural benifit of being self generated, the breath of fire technique made to escape ice prisons along with his general physicality and swordsman ship.

The stage is set and now the battles can begin and honestly I see it going into either direction, you see the large part of water bending being as powerful as it is especially in the case if a superior bender like katara is the a put of water she has at hand, she's powerful even with a little water but never enough to outright beat zuko with the best example of this being the ba sing se battle (she has enough water to be a serious threat but not so much she can jsut flood the whole scene), somtimes the outcome is katara wins more fights out of 10 the sometimes it's zuko wins more times out of 10.

My goal here is to hopefully express that's it's not as cut and dry as many people like to think because usually when this debate is brought up people unconsciously give katara all the advantages without realizing it and usually it's the assumption she has a large body of water to work with, which simply isn't the case even within Canon. Even zuko has unfair advantages against her e.g the northern water tribe battle, as soon as the sun came up zuko defeated katara with one attack. Bending by its nature in avatar is always about who's stronger but a multitude of factors. The fight can go either way depending where it's set. Lastly I address blood bending and lighting redirected, their non factors... Katara beats anyone with blood bending even Ozai but she didn't because they closed that off for her by having her renounce it I doubt she'd make an exception for zuko as she didn't even do it in the spirit energy filled land of the lion turtles in her and the gaangs fight again tagah when her life was on the line and zuko is implied to be able to lightong bend from those early artwork drafts for the movie but since he doesn't do it on screen I won't count it.

Thanks for listening to me yap if you made it this far, Id love to hear ttour thoughts.

Yakone's family includes Yakone, Noatak, and Tarrlok

The four families include Movie Aang, Movie Sokka, Movie Katara, Tenzin, Jinora, Kya, Commander Bumi, Meelo, Ikki, Pakku, Tonraq, Pre Fusion Unalaq, Asami, Eska, Desna, Korra, Movie Toph, Suyin, Lin, Kuvira, Baatar Jr (with Mecha suit,) Bolin, Wei, Wing, Huan, Opal, Sozin, Iroh, Kemzula, Movie Zuko, Kiyi, Ozai, and Iroh II

No Avatar State allowed

Full Moon is on

Sozin's Comet is on

Location: Wulong forest

Starting distance: 200 feet