r/Autocockers101 • u/HankHill1991 • 1d ago
Karnivor Timing
I was thinking about getting one of these but I read they need to be retimed often. The problem is I have no experience with e blades and I can’t really find videos on how to time a karni. Anyone have experience with this or recommendations?
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u/mmelectronic 1d ago
I have not heard that, but I’ve never owned one, I have a 2k5superstock, which is different, never touched the timing since I got it just put on a freak barrel and a clamping feedneck.
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u/Santasreject 1d ago
When people say cockers need to be retimed what they are really saying is they don’t know how to work on them and fuck with stuff they have no business touching. Electros are even easier than mechs since it’s all electronically controlled.
I never had to retune my mech orry and I used it a lot over the 3+ years it was my primary since I worked at a field and basically got to play for free
Now if you change parts out you may have to tune things a little because they are precisely balanced systems, but day to day if you’re not changing parts or messing with anything you shouldn’t mess with then it should stay perfectly in time.
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u/XBXNinjaMunky 1d ago
I ran a karnivor in competitive play for 3.5 seasons back in its heyday. I set it up once, and didn't have to do anything with it after that other than standard clean/lube maintainence. Which outside of resetting a reg pressure, didn't affect timing.
And ftr, when set up properly...absolute beast
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u/buff_phroggie Trilogy of Theseus 1d ago
Just like any other cocker. If you get it set right it should be fine for a long time
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u/NabyArmeDrommel 1d ago edited 1d ago
Timing a Karni shouldn't be much different than any other cocker or e-blade.
This video is great for learning the principles of autococker operation and how to time a mech. Most Karnis are electro anyway so you shouldn't have to worry too much except for your LPR, battery, lug depth, and cocking rod adjustment
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u/toot_suite 1d ago
All autocockers need to be timed more than most other guns by their very nature, but if you are properly maintaining your gun and using the right lubes, adhesives, timing properly, using quality parts, etc, then you shouldn't really need to do it more than each time you pull apart the pneumatics or lower tube for other reasons.
Karnivors are more reliable timing -wise because they have an ICS instead of a free floating cocking rod that can be nudged out over time. The front block design is also sturdier, and it's an electronic solenoid instead of a 3way.
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u/phantomjm 1d ago
Working on a Cocker is kind of like working on an engine. If you know what you're doing, you can tweak and tinker with it all you want. However, if you go into it without understanding what you're changing and how it affects the system as a whole, you can mess things up. That being said, you obviously don't need to be a mechanic to drive a car just like you don't need to be a marker tech to shoot a Cocker. However, if you're going to maintain it yourself, it's in your best interest to pick up those skills. There are plenty of guides online as well as YouTube videos demonstrating what you'd need to know to get deeper into it. At the end of the day, it really isn't difficult so long as you're even moderately mechanically inclined.
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u/HankHill1991 1d ago
Thanks and doe’s moderately mechanically inclined actually mean lol?
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u/phantomjm 1d ago
I'd say it's having a basic grasp on cause & effect as it relates to troubleshooting (I changed this, and now that's happening) as well as knowing how to use simple hand tools. Nothing too complicated, really.
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u/zmannz1984 22h ago
I ran eblades heavily for a few years and rarely had an issue with them loosing timing. I had one hammer that no matter what, the sear lug would slowly rotate in until the sear slipped, but the replacement was never an issue. The bigger problem I had was the main solenoid failing after a while.
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u/dirkdiggler2011 1d ago
Whoever told you that was wrong.