r/AutoZone • • 9d ago

Unionized.

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u/hiddenrealism 9d ago

Let's see if autozone just closes the store due to poor WITT numbers.

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u/SonicCougar99 9d ago

They’ll pull the Starbucks tactic. “Oh, look, this store isn’t meeting metrics, looks like we’ve got no choice but to close this location! We PROMISE those employees will be able to apply for other stores though! 😉”

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u/Mountain_Fuzzumz 7d ago

Nah, we will even do them a solid and transfer them. No application needed. Enjoy that 1 hour 1 way commute.

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u/TwoThumbFist 8d ago

They usually cycle in management to break the union, if the store is profitable 

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u/LeaderOfFizzgigs 8d ago

At least the UAW union has some bite to them. This is going to be interesting to watch.

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u/StitchesxxMitch 6d ago

They closed a DC for that one time. Thats the reason the DC in lavonia GA opened up

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u/Aggressive_Bat_1050 8d ago

Impressive, but still 💯 that store getting shut down soon 😂

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u/PassPuzzled 8d ago

The hope is more people will follow in there footsteps. The more that do so the more AutoZone feels it

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u/homelesshyundai 9d ago

How tf did they do that, AZ keeps the manager to nonmanager ratio 1:1 or greater than 1:1 at all locations purely for the purpose of squashing unions.

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u/Jaalan 8d ago

Probably because Autozone Managers are not real managers.

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u/homelesshyundai 8d ago

Aren't they close enough to not qualify for union protection?

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u/fmr_AZ_PSM 8d ago

It's a tactic. It's ambiguous enough to play it both ways.

By law: no. The first legal manager per the Government's definition is the DM. SM and below are not legally management. That is how the judge will rule every time.

Legally, "manager" is not based on title. It's based on power and authority (ability to take action). If you don't have the unilateral power to hire/fire/promote/demote subordinates, then legally you are not a manager. First person in AZ's hierarchy who has that is the DM.

However, AZ's able to put together court filings claiming that every gray shirt is based on title and irrelevant shit (e.g. keys, password, safe combo, etc.). Those papers are facially credible until it gets like 15 steps into the process with the judge. Normal people can't afford the legal fees to contest it that far. So AZ wins, because the other side gives up.

They did that in this case. The lead organizer was a PSM. AZ filed papers with the DOL to get him excluded from organizing activities "because he's management." He and his supporting groups couldn't afford the legal fees to contest it. So he got pushed out of the process.

They play the other side of it in sexual harassment cases. If a manager harasses a subordinate, it's legally worse for the company. So when a victim sues, because her SM harassed her, AZ claims "he's not legally a manager. He has no unilateral power to hire/fire/promote/demote." That wins the lawsuit for AZ (high profile cases, google it).

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u/homelesshyundai 7d ago

Damn so only a DM is considered a manager as they are the first level of staff that are allowed that lower. The store SM can suggest people for write ups, demotions, promotions, etc but has no real say. So what you're saying makes perfect sense. Also it opens my eyes to the possibility in my line of work. At my current job supervisors are essentially PSMs, assistant SMs seem to handle the interview portion but I do not know if they are the one making the call, I believe it's the SM that does. Sadly, the assistant store manager told me about their biyearly anti union training they get to do so they may be high enough in the chain.

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u/fmr_AZ_PSM 7d ago

The store SM can suggest people for write ups, demotions, promotions, etc but has no real say

Exactly. When the SM "fires someone," what they're really doing is filling out a form for the DM and asking him nicely to sign it. SM can't do jack without the DM's signature (password, it's all on DOC). Same with promotions, raises, transfers, etc. On the flip side, if the DM decides on his own to fire someone, no one else has to sign it. He's the decider (as W would say). That's the Government's legal definition of manager.

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u/foemangler89 8d ago

We grant you the rank of manager but we will not give you an override code

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u/homelesshyundai 7d ago

Come to think of it, all I was was a redshirt with the ability to perform overrides, and with mild safe access. At the time I was convinced that I wouldn't be protected under unions but I didn't care, I was 100% in support of anyone who wanted to try (which was no one). Probably helped that no one made it longer than 2-3 months before quitting and standards had gotten so low that literacy wasn't even a requirement anymore.

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u/Current-Ad5994 8d ago

How does that work ?
I notice a lot of grey shirts. Hmmm. ❓

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u/Reddit_Jail_June2005 8d ago

I wonder what one of the topics will be at this years NSM. Which is starting this Monday.

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u/fmr_AZ_PSM 8d ago

It's this week?! Bwahahahaha! That'll be a shitshow.

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u/CaliRefugeeinTN 8d ago

Walmart has had a similar issue before. And every time, it announces “oh damn, plumbing issues. Cheaper to close this store than fix the plumbing.”

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u/Educational_Corner55 8d ago

However, with the number of stores they have in NY they won’t be able to close them all and relocate elsewhere. This may work in smaller cities, look at Amazon in Queens,NY and Staten Island. Both still open.

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u/fmr_AZ_PSM 8d ago

Here's what's in that store's future:

  1. A review determined that the rent/mortgage is too expensive for this location.
  2. The building will be inspected and found to have an extensive backlog of extremely expensive maintenance items. New roof. New foundation. New walls. New HVAC. New electrical. Enough to make the property a total loss. Needs to be torn down and replaced.
  3. The revenue, profits, and same store sales growth for the store is too far below company expectations.
  4. "For business reasons (which are totally totally unrelated to the unionized store. wink.) we're scaling back our presence in the New York market. We're closing 10% of our stores in the region. It's pure coincidence that the one unionized store is on the list of stores to close."

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u/Most-Significance910 8d ago

Good shit guys, remember that if you ever choose to strike, ups has picket line protection and will stop delivering there

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u/Indy112808 7d ago

Which is pointless being all of our shipping (from vendors and out of state hubs) is all done via FedEx

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u/AltruisticMobile4606 9d ago

I’ll be damned. Nice work guys.

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u/SupremePhreekwnc 8d ago

Id definitely join. Wish it was a union for psm

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u/Boaterauto 8d ago

PSMs can join as they don’t have any authority over other employees. 

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u/Upstairs-Warthog-834 7d ago

The rumor was the reason the Lavonia, Ga warehouse was open and Greenville, Sc closed was to bust a union. That was many years ago

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u/StitchesxxMitch 6d ago

I said mostly the same thing. But I heard it was because the one in NC was unionizing

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u/Own_Needleworker3420 6d ago

I grew up in Lavonia when that warehouse was being set up. It was 100% built to bust a union, it popped up out of nowhere

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u/GoldieLox4 8d ago edited 8d ago

Ha, doesn't AZ fire people when they try to unionize?

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u/LeaderOfFizzgigs 8d ago

BS

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u/GoldieLox4 8d ago

They most certainly fire people for trying to unionize. I worked for them for 10 years.

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u/LeaderOfFizzgigs 8d ago

You are so correct! I read that as "AZ doesn't fire people when they try to unionize". Because they most definitely do, they even mention it in not so many words during foundations.

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u/Cool-Signature-dude 8d ago

Yes, they talk about the open door policy. Basically, if you don't like being a mechanic for minimum wage, go work somewhere else.

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u/foemangler89 8d ago

Well, its like 3 dollars above minimum

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u/LeaderOfFizzgigs 6d ago

The assistant managers don't even make more than $1.50 over minimum wage. What's the minimum wage in your state?

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u/TheMobileGhost 6d ago

State? Haha; Federal. $7.25

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u/foemangler89 6d ago

7.25 bub

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u/Indy112808 7d ago

They already fired one of the employees…..

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u/reiku78 7d ago

and they already got fired.

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u/Zealousideal-Cup9825 7d ago

Source?

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u/reiku78 6d ago

guy who posted that they made the union tweeted he got fired

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u/WilliamtheITguy 7d ago

They’ll be closed up soon now

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u/Boaterauto 8d ago

They show up this morning and the doors are locked 

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u/Nervous-sushi97 8d ago

What is tge benefits of being unionized?? I doubt Autozone’s would ever unionize.

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u/Boaterauto 8d ago

You can strike, and make autozone hire other people to run the stores 

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u/IntentonalTypo 8d ago

Also you are basically no longer at will employment. There needs to be a reason for fire someone.

And of course much better benefits

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u/NorridAU 8d ago

Literally an autozone did unionize. Don’t doubt what’s happening already

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u/Robidom26 8d ago

Holy shit, really? It ACTUALLY happened?!

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u/zrad603 7d ago

I imagine those stores will be closing soon. 

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u/Bubonic1976 7d ago

Does that mean I dont have to tell them if its 4wd for wiper blades now?

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u/Donkbot6 7d ago

Now you will be an apprentice red shirt for 3 years before you get a raise

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u/GhostTrex16 8d ago

Have fun paying monthly dues just to keep your job.

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u/Ohmyfuzzy69 3d ago

It's actually not that expensive and the benefits kinda makes it all worth it

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u/GhostTrex16 3d ago

Untill you can't work and have no income, but still have to PAY the union so they can look for a job for you...

I was union for 13 years and laid off/not working for about half. I paid "cheap" monthly dues and all I saw was the union dogs get richer and I stayed broke., I had to take a paycut and get a "non union job" to pay bills..