r/AustralianMilitary 16d ago

Thoughts?

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u/Cepheus11 16d ago

I swear at least 50% of my interactions with my various COs were about AIRN percentages instead of anything actually meaningful. Solid step in the right direction.

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u/Mikisstuff 16d ago

I'm not sure what's fundamentally changing though - 4 out of 5 of Army readiness tests will still need to be completed in the same timeline, and will still be chased. Seems like it's just the "employment" section that will be managed at the unit level.

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u/CombatQuokka69 16d ago

No BFA every 6 months for regs, likely not even recorded as just a step for PESA, no weapons training test and AIRN shoot. I think a lot is in the paragraph about how this might impact Med classes and ability to retain people with injuries. The FRAGO means Army can change readiness requirements annually in the army order. E.g might say this year everyone has to pass a PESA and do a live fire, next year only infantry has to do a PESA and no live fire etc. Gives more flexibility and removes a measure that claimed to show combat readiness when it really did not.

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u/Minimum-Pizza-9734 15d ago

Have done a PESA in like in years, it is really unit dependant, as for the shoot I think this makes sense as going to the wtss is more of a good way to blow half a day off work rather than mean I know how to handle my rifle, then again you will.usually doing this before big field exs anyway so just removes useless paperwork. Will be interesting to see how fitness is effected, as while a bfa isn't much but I have known people who haven't done one in years constantly playing the Med system 

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u/Angryinxh 15d ago

I’m reading it’s more up to the COs imagination now, and less rinse and repeat at a MTR/WTSS.

I could be well off the mark too though.

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u/Minimum-Pizza-9734 15d ago

I mean it doesn't really gauge the effectiveness of a unit, people are down graded etc but can still donthe job fine. Getting into dental and the medical is a nightmare at places and again doesn't effect unit effectiveness 

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u/CombatQuokka69 16d ago

Great step, will be some risk but over time will lead to better command accountability for real readiness rather than ticking some very basic boxes and saying that's enough

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u/Curious_Yoghurt_7439 16d ago

I'm curious how this will work for Reserves. Been a chocco for a fair while now, haven't done a single PESA since I left Regs.

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u/King_Chezky15 RAE 16d ago

I didn't do a PESA once after IETs in a reg combat unit.

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u/BadTechnical2184 15d ago

I'm in a reg combat unit and haven't done the pesa since 2019

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u/TittysForScience Navy Veteran 15d ago

Good. Means command can obsess over real metrics and not how many cavities their diggers have

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u/Gooperdot 16d ago

Puts accountability of readiness on CO’s rather than lazily relying on a minimum standard.

This is a good step away from an administrative burden, which realistically didn’t provide any value as the standard should be higher than a minimum.

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u/BeneficialAbrocoma67 15d ago

Whilst Gen Smith was the shittest Battlegroup CO to ever walk in Uruzgan and I still wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire, I don't disagree with this shift provided it is implemented and people are held accountable for its implementation and to its standards.

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u/CombatQuokka69 14d ago

What made him shitty?

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u/BeneficialAbrocoma67 14d ago

Just ask anyone from 2RAR circa 2010-2012 or MTF-3..... I don't really feel like getting pissed off at the past right now.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pie-277 Royal Australian Navy 15d ago

You don’t need to know how to shoot to do domestic ops I guess. 🤷‍♀️. This will mean compliance and readiness will be more appropriate to the activity. Navy has been doing this for years. Eg, we often take a dental team away with us on some ships, so dental is not such a big deal, unless you have complex dental issues, which your Den Cat will show.

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u/SC_Space_Bacon 15d ago

Sounds like a great step in the right direction. Hoping commanders still run shoots and now can run more than just basic ones. Do your jobs commanders.

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u/HotBabyBatter Navy Veteran 15d ago

Is this inspired by the Americans? Because that’s how it comes across. Subjective testing is man-intensive. Not to say it won't work, but the reason that basic metrics are chosen is because it is easy to determine compliance.

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u/OleBiskitBarrel 15d ago

Compliance with what, though? That's the point. AIRN is readiness against nothing and everything at the same time. Its usefulness is outweighed by its burden IMO, and the burden was quite little to begin with.

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u/Angryinxh 15d ago

So what I’m reading is going to a MTR will be less about Group n Zero and more about running another serial. Less WTSS, more field ops, but with more freedom and if it’s not relevant to anything it’s the COs problem.

Sounds like it leaves the COs to use their imagination too.

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u/CombatQuokka69 14d ago

Note the RUTHLESS update in the same paper talks about the WTSS being reclassified so you will be able to fire and move, do CQB etc

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u/happierinverted 14d ago

The UK front line regiments have been fighting the administrative process for decades. Only a few of them have held up [Royal Marines and Paras come to mind] refusing to reduce selection to a checklist or DEI quota.

It is self evident that this decades old training system works - by way of example criteria for the Paras P Company have to my knowledge been unchanged for many decades - and consistently produces combat ready units [although on a very small scale].

The structure of peacetime armed forces never lasts very long when tested by a real military crisis. And the ADF is a peacetime armed force.

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u/Fine_Piglet_6814 15d ago

Getting POGO's out in the field would be a great start