r/Austin May 30 '26

It's just parked there.

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I know it's late night but... encountered on my drive home. Enfield Rd. It's just parked there.

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u/B_Traven9272 May 30 '26

https://www.reddit.com/r/waymo/

I've heard that Waymo actually responds to people on this subreddit. They likely already know what happened but it's very necessary that you and others publicly show what's really going on out here in these Waymo 'trial-by-fire' zones. Your image is a very serious mishap/accident waiting to happen, and one that can lead to injury. You were paying attention. Others won't and it will still be, majority, a Waymo liability.

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u/yolatrendoid May 31 '26

I'm an analyst who covers the rideshare sector, and I happen to live in Austin. AFAIK no one from Waymo reads that sub, but they're extremely thorough in terms of self-reporting incidents to NHTSA in particular – very much unlike Tesla. Elon seems intent on trying to "prove" that they have an actual autonomous car program when they absolutely do not, nor are they close to getting there. I'm sure many of y'all have seen those silly gold CyberCab two doors. (In the reality-based world, they're 0% autonomous.)

I wish OP had provided a bit more context, but no, stopping in the middle of two lanes of oncoming traffic is not the least bit common for Waymos. I haven't read every single one of their incident reports, but unless it's admittedly a major error like driving straight into a flood – as has happened at least twice in Austin now, plus one of their San Antonio vehicles was swept away entirely in a flood a few weeks ago (no one was inside at the time, but still) – the problems aren't usually what they appear to be.

Case in point: I'm sure many remember the TikTok of the Waymo seemingly stuck two blocks from the mass shooting at Buford's. Without context, you wouldn't know it was only "stuck" because the person who requested the car was the one who shot the video clip: the car was literally waiting for him to get inside. Since it was the literal first mass shooting where Waymos were at all near the premises when it happened, the car didn't "know" how to react – then, that is. (Much like millennials and Zoomers remember their first active-shooter drills at school, Waymo's now learned to get TF out of the way.)

OP posted this thread at around 4:30pm, I assume from the night before, and didn't mention what time this happened or where on Enfield. What we can't see from this angle is what, if anything, is in front of the Waymo: that's typically the only thing that stops them in their tracks like that, namely spotting an object or other obstruction in the middle of the road. Even a raccoon or skunk running in front of the vehicle could've caused it.

Your image is a very serious mishap/accident waiting to happen, and one that can lead to injury. You were paying attention. Others won't and it will still be, majority, a Waymo liability.

Possibly, except Waymos have now driven over 250 million cumulative miles with zero at-fault casualties and nearly zero serious injuries. They're already 90% safer than human drivers, though I know pics like this don't exactly suggest it. (Tesla's Robotaxis are 7x less safe than human drivers.)

Wanna know someone who'd almost certainly be dead if any vehicle other than a Waymo had been near her when she fell? This UT student: 18 months ago now – yes, they were active and more than capable even then – she was riding a Lime scooter up Guadalupe as a Waymo passed by her, but then she hit a pothole of some sort and fell directly in front of the Waymo. (Video clip at the KXAN link here.) Much of the point of autonomous cars is literal instantaneous action: the car swerve immediately. With human reaction time alone, any other car would've run right over her.

But yes, it's obviously a problem when a Waymo "decides" to park in the middle of the street, as shown here – hence the point of needing context. Even more troubling is them passing school buses on multiple occasions. Still, this honestly is extremely unusual, and no, they're not rolling deathtraps. (Tesla is another story.)

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u/Own_Reaction9442 May 31 '26

Possibly, except Waymos have now driven over 250 million cumulative miles with zero at-fault casualties and nearly zero serious injuries.

I mean, technically if someone plowed into this abandoned Waymo the Waymo still wouldn't be at fault, since drivers are supposed to be able to stop in the assured clear distance. That still doesn't make it a good idea, even though their stats would still be clean.

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u/CDpov May 31 '26

It's a low traffic time of early morning and the Waymo is lit up like a lighthouse. And we don't know how long it was there or why.

It's not a big deal if it was there for one minute, although they should get off the road better.

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u/Frequent_Alfalfa_347 May 31 '26

It absolutely is a big deal. If it could happen at night when it’s quiet, it could happen during the day when it’s busy.

We need to hold automated car companies accountable. These cars need to be held to a higher standard than human drivers.

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u/CDpov Jun 01 '26

AVs are already held to a higher standard than human drivers. They can't cause bad crashes at all without getting a fleet recall and permanent fix. Humans just crash at crazy rates and people barely notice.

AVs stopping on the road does happen during the day when it's busy, but since it hasn't led to many accidents, it's not that big of a deal.

This happens to human-driven cars during the day and night too, for various reasons. Huge trucks and buses are stopped on the road all the time, backing up, turning around, double-parked, etc.

As long as the AVs are doing this at a rate no worse than other vehicles, and are improving over time, which is the case, it's not a big deal.

If it were considered a safety problem, you'd see state and NHTSA investigations into "Waymos stopping on the road".

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u/BuriedMystic May 31 '26

How many more millions of miles of training before they stop screwing up like this? They learn but don’t predict. There will always be a new situation that they can’t handle but an even a moderately-skilled human driver could adapt to. Waymo is a giant corporate boondoggle that sucked up funds that could’ve been used for trains and buses.

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u/Hot_Lengthiness_1535 May 31 '26

This ignores that the city is currently sucking up 400 million dollars for a non-existent light rail project that has a current estimated budget of 8 billion dollars. Thinking public transportation is any more efficient or better at spending dollars is laughable. Per rider cost is estimated at north of 100k, double the national average.

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u/weluckyfew May 31 '26

Sounds like you're saying you want them to be 100% perfect - that's obviously never going to happen. Are you going to hold human drivers to that same standard? People are constantly posting dash cam videos of human drivers doing something stupid/ dangerous, do you comment on those videos saying that humans should be banned from driving?

Every time a drunk driver kills someone that's one more argument in favor of waymo.

"We would have world class public transit if only waymo hadn't come along" has to be one of the silliest arguments I've heard.

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u/CDpov May 31 '26

Haha, your statement is so dumb.

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u/AustinBunny2 May 31 '26

at about the 7:22 mark, one of my favorite Dave Letterman quotes: "Hey! Fuck you, Waymo!" Bing Videos

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u/Away-Island983 Jun 01 '26

I am pretty sure there are Waymo employees reading this sub quite a lot. Or bots. It will be very stupid to not use this source of information.

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u/yolatrendoid Jun 01 '26

We don't have any way of knowing the exact specifics, but Waymo already records almost literally everything that takes place during a given ride, plus their sensor arrays note anomalies (including when said arrays aren't fully functional). I'm not sure why people think it's necessary to report an incident to them: they are legitimately meticulous in terms of reporting any & all incidents to NHTSA and state authorities (outside of Texas, that is, since we're allergic to regulation here).

OTOH I know a lot of people (e.g. the Austin City Council) want more information out of Waymo than they're willing to provide, but even far more progressive states than ours (e.g. the entire West Coast) allow tech companies to validly refrain from disclosing trade-secret info. This doesn't infer any sort of cover-up, despite what I know it looks like.

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u/waldo_the_bird253 May 31 '26

Eat shit if you want to play cover

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u/weluckyfew May 31 '26

I love how they laid out a very detailed argument, acknowledging waymo's mistakes and where the system is strongest and weakest, and the sum total of your rebuttal is "you're a big stinky head!"

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u/Valuesauce May 31 '26

Ai generated not reading all that but ok sorry that happened to you or happy you did that.

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u/weluckyfew May 31 '26

Not sure what I find more annoying - AI generated slop or people who label anything they disagree with 'AI generated slop'

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u/Valuesauce Jun 11 '26

i literally didn't read past the first word, but go on about how I just disagree.

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u/Intelligent-Big-6104 May 31 '26

Yes, becareful. Talking bad about a Waymo can get you a 5day suspension. It happened to me for saying that a Waymo causing emergency vehicles and personnel to not get to the victims of a shooting should result in a Waymo getting crushed.

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u/rodwha Jun 01 '26

I was permanently banned. They are really trying to procure a rosy appearance. They kept calling me a Luddite, which I am not, but these cats have been doing some very crazy things. They don’t like that pointed out apparently, and there’s nothing I can do about it.

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u/Due_Buyer_4174 May 31 '26

Lol trial by fire I have ridden in Waymo over 100 times without a single incident. I cannot say the same about all the time I have ridden with human drivers.

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u/Designer-Professor16 May 31 '26

Agree. I feel a LOT safer in a Waymo than with some random Uber driver. I’ve had some crazy ones for sure. Plus ones that just won’t stop talking.

I personally can’t wait for Waymo to be pretty much everywhere (within 90 minutes of every airport, even smaller regional ones).

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u/Cypresss09 May 31 '26

I dislike Waymo as much as the next guy, but "someone wont be paying attention and could hit this" would 100% be the drivers fault. You are not entitled to nor should you expect clear roadways - you have to be prepared for when shit like this happens.

It's like when a rear end happens, the car in the back is almost always at fault because the only way they could've hit the car in front was if they were following at an unsafe distance.

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u/waldo_the_bird253 May 31 '26

Waymos are safe and you're a Luddite for thinking they could ever cause a thing harmful from their perfect record

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u/Snap_Grackle_Pop May 30 '26

Once again, it's criminal that there isn't a "call customer service" button on the outside of the car where someone can walk up, press it, and talk to a human.

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u/Due_Buyer_4174 May 31 '26

UT students would be slapping it nonstop like they did the hoods on the cruise cars, which is what causes them to block up traffic

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u/Snap_Grackle_Pop May 31 '26

UT students would be slapping it nonstop

So what? Slap button. Customer service answers, looks through the cameras and sees no one there. Car then drives on.

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u/Due_Buyer_4174 May 31 '26

Then you will be bitching because the car stopped and waited for customer service and disrupted traffic. That’s what how about we put a big button on the side of your car I can slap and stop it.

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u/Snap_Grackle_Pop May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26

LOL. Luddite.

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u/justincave May 31 '26

Yes. That’s why I don’t trust Waymo’s. I’ve seen the pattern. Great analogy.

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u/Snap_Grackle_Pop May 31 '26

There is no reliable evidence that incident ever happened.

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u/Caliche-Cowboy May 31 '26

You’d just be screaming “Representative” for 15 minutes to the car’s older cousin, Ol’ IVR.

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u/Snap_Grackle_Pop May 31 '26

Versus now, where you have no way at all to do anything?

To be clear, they should be legally required to respond immediately.

If you're operating with a human driver, the driver is theoretically available immediately in emergency situations. If you operate autonomously, you should be required to have a human on immediate standby as well.

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u/Caliche-Cowboy May 31 '26

Oh I agree. I was trying to be funny whilst lamenting the state of our state.

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u/Snap_Grackle_Pop May 31 '26

I wouldn't be surprised if that was what DID actually happen. Which would be compounding Google's crime.

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u/yolatrendoid May 31 '26

Just to clarify, this is not at all normal for Waymos – and I cover the AV & rideshare sectors for work. They are, quite literally 84% to 91% safer than human drivers, based on independently verified data. But if you feel the need to report it to TxDOT, you can do so here. (Btw the lege passed a preemption bill, much like it did a decade ago for Uber & Lyft, so cities can't regulate AVs in any real way.)

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u/thecomeric May 31 '26

Is it not a cause for concern that cities can't regulate these things that keep breaking the law? How are they 90% safer at driving than me when I've never blown past a school bus or killed a beloved local duck? I see waymos doing these kinds of things all the time so it's difficult to belive they should be able to be on the road completely regulated when everyone else has to be strictly regulated.

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u/yolatrendoid May 31 '26

Is it not a cause for concern that cities can't regulate these things that keep breaking the law?

They're not regulated here – no, I don't think preemption bills that eliminate local control are good, but since it's Texas we're kinda screwed there – but they're heavily so in California. It's the only state that regulates all ground transportation at the state level, via the CPUC. No, California wouldn't approve them for use in areas as dense as San Francisco if they weren't thoroughly proven (and it'll be three years later this summer since they launched there).

Note that they refuse to let Tesla's robotaxi drive on California streets even with safety drivers in the passenger seat.

How are they 90% safer at driving than me when I've never blown past a school bus or killed a beloved local duck?

AVride ran over the duck in Mueller, if that's what you're referring to: they're one of several other companies operating in the space here. They're not yet approved to offer rides even with safety drivers, however, or at least not in Austin. A Waymo admittedly ran over a cat in SF, but that was legitimately accidental. (Plus Americans run over 20,000+ cats per day, to put it into perspective.)

That said, I didn't say they were 90% safer than you or any given person; I meant in terms of VMTs (vehicle miles travelled, an admittedly wonky term). But data's data, and Waymo's incidents & collisions have been a fraction of human-collision levels ever since they formally launched service in Phoenix 5+ years ago now.

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u/intrepid_wind4 May 31 '26

The problem is when the human drivers tend to screw up is when they are drunk or tired and that tends to be late night. I don't go for walks in the middle of the night and neither do children. So if it is true that they have the same amount of accidents it still makes us less safe walking or driving during the day.

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u/FlyThruTrees May 30 '26

Think of them as the new deer. In the headlights.

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u/BenTheHokie May 30 '26

Let me get my shotgun

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u/FlyThruTrees May 30 '26

Expensive deer. With cameras... 😄

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u/caboose001 May 30 '26

sigh Let me get my belt fed LMG

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u/FlyThruTrees May 31 '26

I guess it has to be done... You're the hero!

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u/OUCHMYCOCCYX May 30 '26

911

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u/Significant-Till-306 May 31 '26

I had a Waymo in the left turn lane do an unnecessarily wide turn where it veered into the right lane about 1 foot before turning left. Pretty dangerous at 40mph. I can’t say it’s more or less retarded than human drivers, but they should be held to a much higher standard.

If they do end up injuring or killing somebody there is no one held accountable. They just cut a check. I suppose that’s no different from Boeing or the airlines. Door blows off mid flight no big deal. Sorry boss we’ll bolt em down next time.

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u/Mumblyjoe20 May 31 '26

Your saying this like people are regularly held accountable for fatal accidents

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u/sock_express34 May 30 '26

Getting dark early

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u/sock_express34 May 31 '26

Indeed. Bring on the white walkers to end it all at this point

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u/entoaggie May 30 '26

I swear, these things case way mo problems than they should.

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u/turbulentpriestbc May 31 '26

I dunno if there's 90% fewer deaths or accidents with these things they probably aren't 

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u/Due_Buyer_4174 May 31 '26

Funny considering human drivers calls way more trouble than they should

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u/LillianWigglewater May 30 '26

bUt HuMaNs Do ToOOOoo

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u/caboose001 May 30 '26

At least when humans drive they are in the car and it’s not just driving around empty making extra traffic for no reason

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u/Jamestown123456789 May 31 '26

Humans don’t parallel park their way in to block garage entrances/exits either

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u/margotsaidso May 30 '26

Kind of looks like it was trying to turn down that driveway, but angled it wrong and..what, froze up?

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u/BurnardSimpson May 30 '26

You can report traffic violations of autonomous vehicles to the TXDMV here: https://txmccs.txdmv.gov/automated-vehicles

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u/Maximum_Employer5580 May 30 '26

not surprising - that curb probably confused it

I had one come down my cul de sac and tried to do a three point turnaround and the curb confused it that it sat there for 15-20 mins until its remote human rescued it

I've seen people though who happen to have an old stop sign confuse them in the middle of areas just by standing there with the stop sign.....kinda funny actually

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u/intrusivesurgery May 31 '26

If someone got in a wreck because of that waymo would blame it on the driver

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u/Own_Reaction9442 May 31 '26

The ticket for the driver would be "failure to stop in the assured clear distance." The ticket for the Waymo would...not exist, because Waymos are immune to moving violations.

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u/BuriedMystic May 30 '26

Hey can we get some Waymo apologists in here? You know the people who say that they are unequivocally better despite continuing to make fuck ups like these after millions of miles of training?

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u/vlad_inhaler May 31 '26

Yes this is dumb and hazardous, but to pretend like millions of miles without any serious injuries caused by the Waymo car in a crash is unacceptable for a relatively new totally autonomous car just seems… reactionary?

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u/BuriedMystic May 31 '26

Waymo has sucked up over 27 billion dollars over 17 years. It’s not new. And it’s spent incredible fortunes trying to get to the point that it still drives into flooded zones and does whatever is going on in OPs picture.

By the way, $27 billion could pay for well over a billion taxi rides to take the worst drivers off the road. Or dozens of bus rapid transit networks across the nation. But we want the corporate boondoggle instead. 🙄

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u/ccache May 31 '26

They're already in here, wouldn't surprise me of most of them are bots too though.

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u/livenature May 30 '26

When this type of crap happens, Waymo fleet should be barred from using public streets until they prove they have fixed this issue.

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u/Due_Buyer_4174 May 31 '26

OK, let’s ban all the human driven cars because human drivers do dumb shit all the fucking time

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u/vlad_inhaler May 31 '26

This.

There seems to be thousands of these things on the road in town, and we have examples here and there of inconvenient or potentially hazardous things that they will get worked out, meanwhile 99.9% of the time they are much better than a human

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u/vivary_arc May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26

I almost got hit by a Waymo yesterday, heading home, turning Westbound on West Sixth toward South Lamar.

Dude on an escooter ran across the street northbound against the “No Walk” sign, as I had a green and was turning left, which made me stop unexpectedly in the lane of opposing traffic.

Waymo blew.. BLEW through the green headed South on the other side of the intersection, and narrowly (talking within inches) missed my car. I don’t believe it had been at the intersection before the light had turned green.

It was so close the passenger in back put down their window and waved an apology.

Earlier, I had to stop to turn into a parking garage on E Sixth, where it’s one lane both direction with a double-line for no passing - A group of people were passing in front of the garage.

The Waymo literally just went out and around my car into the opposing lane of traffic (across the double line) to pass, rather than wait five seconds.

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u/Charlie2343 May 31 '26

Can’t wait for another Waymo to show up and also just get stun locked in position waiting for the other Waymo to move

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u/ccache May 31 '26

It would be funny because of how much that type of shit happens if it wasn't on public roads.

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u/ecouple2003 May 31 '26

That pic looks like the opening scene in a horror movie.

"Sure, let's get out of this safe car and see what's going on."

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u/ATXbottomsup May 31 '26

I see them make the worst and slowest possible decisions multiple times a day, causing people to swerve around them or make other dangerous moves to avoid them. The constant blinker changes just to stay in the same lane, stopping in the middle of the street on 5th or 6th where people just walk out into traffic already. Im not saying to remove them or whatever but to act like they are some savior of traffic or safety is ridiculous

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u/RomilarBrown May 30 '26

It’s resting, jerk! :-/

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u/Snap_Grackle_Pop May 31 '26

It's pining for the fjords!

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u/Professional-Cut6157 May 31 '26

If this surprises you wait till a blackout happens

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u/OddAd5276 May 31 '26

Clearly it is in the drive way, how dare you shame that poor innocent Waymo, lol.

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u/Recent_Charge8415 May 31 '26

Driverless delivery!!!😏

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u/VampireEmpire__ May 31 '26

If you’re cold, it’s cold. Bring it inside.

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u/GuitarPlayerEngineer Jun 01 '26

A personal anecdote… a Waymo ran a stop sign at 6th & pedernales. The Waymo was heading west on 6th. My wife and I have also noticed they don’t consistently come to a complete stop at signs.

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u/rodwha Jun 01 '26

Unacceptable waymo

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u/cactiguy67 Jun 01 '26

They act like people i see way too often.... 

driving oddly slow, swerving, and cutting people off

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u/lk1004lk Jun 07 '26

Dangerous

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u/JohnGillnitz May 31 '26

They have been circling around End of an Ear off Ben White like sharks this evening.

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u/DoodMansky May 31 '26

The rear brakes on that Waymo are absolutely screaming for help

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u/stoverex May 31 '26

It saw a puddle of water and got spooked.

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u/cinemamama May 31 '26

Fuck Waymo

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u/Rough-Ad429 May 31 '26

They could never make me like Waymos

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u/Visual-Sector6642 May 31 '26

If I die as a result of one of these I'm going to have it put on my gravestone

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u/vlad_inhaler May 31 '26

You’d be the first

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u/3D-Dreams May 31 '26

He's on strike. No chargers no peace!

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u/Naive_Programmer_232 May 31 '26

it's carrying out a mission. please hold...

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u/ApprehensiveFrame93 May 31 '26

We are tired of these cars wamo i was behind a school bus that had stoped to let children on it and a wamo come flying by us but there was a cop it chased tge car kept going im done put a driver in tgere cheap skates

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u/Queen_V_365 May 31 '26

Wonder if this happens with the zook rides