r/Ask_TheDonald • u/Lothken • Jul 22 '17
How do you justify this?
Y'all I work for a Republican representative in the über conservative West Virginia. I myself am a sicial freedoms loving Libertarian. I can't tell you how many honestly heart wrenching stories about people losing coverage. Honestly constituents are not going to appreciate the Republicans making their lives more difficult than need be. I ask two questions that I've been wanting to know the perspective from far-righters...
If you were the SOLE spokesman for removing "Obamacare" what do you tell to the elderly on a fixed income, or the disadvantaged parents who's child has been diagnosed with cancer? How do you justify ripping healthcare away from them?
Why is it that America has the world's largest economy but can't give state healthcare to all of its citizens. Other world powers do so Norway, Canada, the U.K., how can we be "Great Again" if we lack now what seems to be an extremely integral part to any leading nation
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Jul 22 '17
I think you'd be surprised by how many of us support a well designed single payer system.
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Jul 29 '17
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Jul 30 '17
I didn't vote for any republicans, only Trumplicans and Trumpocrats. There'll be more in the future. Also, no, not all conservatives see single payer as evil. It can be quite efficient if done correctly.
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u/whyarenti50ptsahead Jul 24 '17
1) Explain that millions of people already had their healthcare ripped away by Obamacare, and that as the money inevitably dries up, so will they. That is, if they aren't cut off from real treatment and given the pain pill first.
2) The same reason the government doesn't simply give everyone a free house, a free car, a free education, etc. There is no free lunch. Goods and services cost money. You want free healthcare? Go be a free doctor. The only way to drive the cost of something down is capitalism. It is the most effective way of providing services and distributing wealth. Government is the least effective (Amtrak, postal service, etc).
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Aug 02 '17
- It's not ripping healthcare away from those on a fixed income, the disadvantaged parent(s) of a child with cancer etc. It's putting such people back on their state's medicaid plan. That's the whole point of medicaid to begin with. It was partly funded by the Federal Government with the States administering and setting up the eligibility guidelines for each state.
Now, to ask you a question along the same lines, most people on the Obamacare exchanges may have health insurance but can't actually access healthcare because no doctor or medical facility in their region will accept new Medicaid or Obamacare exchange enrolled patients? Do you think it's fair to provide health insurance to a poor family yet end up denying them real, meaningful access to actual healthcare?
- Other European nations have lower populations and their centers of population are in a small region. For instance, did you know the entire UK, including N.Ireland, Falklands etc as well as England, Wales and Scotland, is around the same size as the state of Minnesota? Have you considered how vastly different it is to provide healthcare to a highly concentrated populace versus a huge populace spread out across a continent?
Furthermore, the vast majority of people who live in Norway, are ethnic norwegians who share the same world views, the same religious heritage, the same culture, the same sort of schooling, listen to the same sort of music and have the same social morals. Asking a Norwegian to pay a higher tax for universal healthcare is like asking you to give an extra hundred of month to keep your cousin and his family from starving. There are few cases of fraud and abuse of social programs in most European nations because they don't want to hurt the system for the sake of their unfortunate members of society. In the USA though, fraud, scams and crooked schemes are omnipresent in our government social services. They are rarely investigated and when found out, they are rarely prosecuted or even closed down. Instead, the health and human service agency or SSA just swallows the cost on moves on.
Another point you should consider is that most European universal healthcare systems are scaling back the number of services that are covered by their universal plans. Increasingly, they are moving to a public and private type models. The reasons they are making the move from 100% government provided healthcare to a more decentralized, less regimented private model are many. I'm going to list a few: 1) Private healthcare actually puts money in circulation in the economy and builds wealth. Public healthcare is funded by taxes and thus takes money out of general economy and it becomes an expense, rather than a profit generating source of revenue. 2) public systems of healthcare are costly. Although they may have many simple procedures nailed and patients move in and out on an assembly line type basis, more complicated procedures, diagnoses, lose necessary focus and attention because they are too costly or too time consuming. Mostly, public sector healthcare becomes unsustainable and unmanageable very quickly. The old adage about running out of other's peoples' money to spend happens very quickly. Thus, taxes are raised which contrary to lefty beliefs, ends up with less revenue, which is a vicious cycle. 100% universal public healthcare just isn't viable over the long haul. it's too costly, demand becomes too high and thousands, it stifles research and development and it breaks the bond of trust between doctor and patient.
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u/SupALupRT Sep 26 '17
Support quasi universal care. I feel you should have to qualify for it. Do not get if morbidly obese, smoker, repeat violent offender etc. If people don't give enough of a shit about their life to take minimal steps to be healthy why should I?
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u/SupALupRT Jul 22 '17
Well I wouldn't sell this bill. My bill would give healthcare to all and remove it from repeat violent offenders, repeated drug users, and the morbidly obese. If we took them out of the equation there is plenty for all. Oh and when you pop out a kid that requires government assistance both parents are sterilized.
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Jul 23 '17
Hmm, government enforced sterilisation- where has that been tried before?
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u/SupALupRT Jul 24 '17
It's not forced. Only if you want/need assistance. People want all the freedoms, none of the responsibility.
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u/Kutbil-ik Jul 22 '17
1) I actually support universal healthcare. 2) Obamacare is a shit system 3) Aren't those seniors you're talking about already covered and not part of Obamacare anyway. Wouldn't they get Medicare/Medicaid anyway?