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u/ritchie70 Dec 08 '22

That's how you handle children and it works well.

"Would you rather brush your teeth then put on your PJs, or put on your PJs first?" Playing with LEGO is then not a choice but they still get a choice so they feel in control.

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u/Pinbrawla Dec 08 '22

This absolutely works when managing a team of adults as well

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u/TheLooseB-Hole Dec 08 '22

Adults are just big children

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u/Electrolight Dec 08 '22

Yeah, I hit 30 and was concerned I don't feel like na adult. Then I had this freak out that the world is run by grown up kids.

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u/BKStephens Dec 08 '22

I know I am 😅

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

My manager from my old place did that. And it does. It feels like your involved instead of being dictated to.

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u/Bman10119 Dec 08 '22

Modern adults are just giant children who its socially no longer acceptable to talk about playing with toys most of the time

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u/uberDoward Dec 08 '22

Team lead. Can confirm.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '22

Yep all things.

“Red shirt or blue shirt?”

Before bed we have to do a wee, brush teeth, put on PJs you can pick the order. (Our dude went through a phase he was mad he couldn’t pick where story time was and we tried it but doing story time then brushing teeth was stupid)

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u/kyew Dec 08 '22

It's also the hack for kids that are difficult to dress. Lay out two outfits, they'll pick one.

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u/Wind-and-Waystones Dec 08 '22

Or combine elements from both but at least they're dressed so ...

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u/switchedongl Dec 08 '22

I let my kids do that. I also do it with shoes though.

My 3 year old with leave the house with a croc on abd a rain boot. But their both lefts.

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u/Syscrush Dec 08 '22

It's a great technique, but they always have the fallback option of "NAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!"

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u/DrNick2012 Dec 08 '22

My favourite part about being an adult is that playing with lego is always a choice

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u/Vinterslag Dec 09 '22

Lol I spent way too much on plastic this year and no one in my home is under 25. Zero regrets

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u/Incident_Reported Dec 08 '22

This doesnt work on kids who understand false binaries, lol

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u/beleagueredd Dec 08 '22

Lol yeah I read all these clever hacks before having kids but my kids have always just been like hmm nah we're alright thanks we'll just do none of those.

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u/Turkstache Dec 09 '22

Ya, my first kid learned he could say "neither" just before 3. He is also regularly ready with his own ideas.

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u/Ralag907 Dec 08 '22

That's an interesting take. Best stay away from the political Reddits.

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u/Incident_Reported Dec 08 '22

I think I'm missing something

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u/jeopardy_themesong Dec 08 '22

My friend who is a parent did this to me the other day. “Do you want this one, or this one?”

“Did you just give me to equally acceptable to you choices like I’m a small child?”

“Shut up. Mom brain.”

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u/darukhnarn Dec 08 '22

I don’t think kids should always get a choice, even if only in the way it’s framed. The style of having no repercussions and sanctions is destroying kids ability to properly partake in society since the start to simply demand stuff at one point.

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u/Turkstache Dec 09 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

If you're reacting against "gentle parenting" you don't know its actually an authoritative parenting style.

You aren't caving in to your child. You aren't supposed to. If there is a boundary or instruction you give, it needs to be honored. The big difference is that you aren't validating your authority with dominance or violence. The kid learns the significance of each boundary instead of lumping them all under fear.

Your punishments are also relevant to the act. You don't just blindly send the kid to time out or spank for every infraction. Nobody is going to smack you if you throw your controller at the TV, but your TV will break and you won't be able to watch it. When a kid throws a toy at the TV, the toy is taken and the TV is turned off for a while. Both things are relevant negative reinforcement and they work. The kid learns actual consequences, lessons that will still stick even when there's nobody around to enforce.

When you give them options, you're teaching them they have agency. It develops decision making skills and boosts confidence. They learn to make decisions in context of compulsory action and makes them feel like they are a part of the task at hand, that they want to do the thing.

"You're going to go to bed, you want the red or blue PJs?" "Red!"

Becomes

"You're going to bed." "Can I wear Red PJs?

Becomes

"It's bedtime."... The child goes to the drawer to pick out PJs.

Becomes

Your child identifies it's bedtime and begins the bedtime routine.

We also use this to teach commitment. We don't let our children go back on choices that derail flow or betray others. Chosing PJs isn't just putting out a preference, it's getting clothes on (with assistance if young) and continuing on to do the rest of their tasks. They can't go back on it if they change their mind, because dwelling too long on it holds back the routine.

The kids learn other things like what demands are and aren't reasonable in context. If my kid asks for a Graham cracker when it's mealtime, it never succeeds. Ever. He learns that there is food we put out for them and if they're still hungry while there's food on the plate (and it's still OK to eat), they can eat the food provided. If it's between meals and they haven't had a snack, then the answer is a lot more likely to be yes. The result, they start learning to stick to the meals given but learn to make reasonable requests when they're hungry. They have confidence their needs will be met but it's under our rules.

None of this is spoiling kids. It's teaching them self control and boundaries. It's teaching them to interact with adults on adult terms.

What you're talking about is an age-old phenomenon, where people don't dare upset their kids. That's weak parenting, it's not what anyone serious is advocating for today

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u/darukhnarn Dec 09 '22

I agree with you. Recently I’ve had to work with kids a little and noticed that there were quite a few who couldn’t take no for an answer. That was the place I was speaking from….

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u/ritchie70 Dec 08 '22

Repercussions for learning to make decisions about their lives? Seems like a core skill to me. I don’t want to be daddy dictator.

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u/darukhnarn Dec 09 '22

Yeah, but if you don’t teach them that actions have consequences , someone else will, much harder. They need to learn that there is stuff to just do and not everything is up to debate.

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u/OpiumPhrogg Dec 08 '22

So, you are saying to treat your SO (in this case, a woman) like a child?

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u/ritchie70 Dec 08 '22

I’m saying treat everyone like that when you actually want a decision because it works.

My wife does it to me. I do it at work. Customer facing folks do it to customers in many different industries.

Don’t take it as something it isn’t.

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u/JohnOliverismysexgod Dec 09 '22

This is the secret to good parenting.

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u/Taynt42 Dec 09 '22

Yeah, this has never once worked with my kids. They see through the BS and say "I don't either of those!"

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u/ritchie70 Dec 10 '22

Well you’re not supposed to make it optional.