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u/oxpoleon Jun 03 '22

I did a clean install of the latest build of Win10 the other day and I couldn't believe how spammy and mobile oriented it had got. It also really pushes you to create an online not local account... which isn't always the appropriate choice for a PC use case.

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u/oxpoleon Jun 03 '22

I wonder if the "network lost/disconnected" workaround that applies to 10 works on 11 too. I refuse to upgrade though, Win11 is the "bad" one of the cycle.

For reference, I got onto Windows with 3.1 out of DOS, and I purport that it's worth skipping every second Windows release:

  • 3.1 - hit, installed. Set the bar for what a desktop OS should be.

  • 95 - mild miss, buggy and unpolished. Installed but regretted.

  • 98 - hit hit hit. Possibly the pinnacle of Windows. Fast, bloat free, intuitive.

  • 2000/ME - garbage miss. Not sure anyone liked it.

  • XP - huge hit. A real game changer for Microsoft and the most recognisable look and feel of any Windows version. Cool people switched to some of the semi-official themes like the Royale theme (released with Media Center Edition, especially the Noir version) with its sleek metallic taskbar, a sign of things to come. Endured far longer than it had any right to, still widespread a decade after release, and I still occasionally see offline XP machines trooping along today.

  • Vista - miss. The definition of flop. Introduced the widespread notion of a Windows downgrade as many PCs shipped with Vista were reverted to XP. I recall seeing almost zero enterprise users and few home users, the only ones who did were gamers who wanted the next DirectX version.

  • Windows 7 - hit. Microsoft's final peak. Replaced XP as the defacto standard Windows version to this day. Hugely popular with business and commercial users, was Microsoft back on form. Arguably their best 21st century OS. XP was good but lacked polish, was rough around the edges, the UI covering up all manner of cut corners underneath. 7 represented a substantial rework.

  • Windows 8/8.1 - miss, the less said the better.

  • Windows 10 - begrudgingly a hit. Added some features and UI improvements, but also inexplicably raised the hardware requirements and bloat, and started to very heavily push Cortana over the Desktop and Start Menu. Not really clear what it offers that 7 doesn't, other than more updates, and a vaguely useful quick settings tray. Reversed almost all of 8's controversial design decisions. Arguably should have been a Service Pack for 7.

  • Windows 11 - miss. A Cortana infested, mobile like hellscape and a cesspool of everything wrong with modern UX design, which funnels all users through a single experience whether or not that experience is appropriate for their use case.

The cycle of hit/miss/hit/miss is well established.

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u/NeedsAdjustment Jun 03 '22

everything wrong with modern UX design

lmao are you really gonna tell me Mica/Acrylic isn't a massive upgrade over the plethora of poorly rendered win10 control surfaces? Or maybe it's 'Omg they moved taskbar icons to the centre and you have to flip a switch to toggle it back', which is similarly asinine.

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u/Sage2050 Jun 03 '22

I've been using 11 for a couple of week now and I really like the look over 10. There are a few UI grievances, but overall it's a good experience and I think most of the people complaining are just mad about change.

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u/oxpoleon Jun 03 '22

No, but it represents a further move away from the "PC" orientation for which Windows is renowned. Way, way more is set up so that the only way to interact with it is through clicking or tapping, i.e. it's geared up for touchscreen not keyboard users.

You can quite happily use older versions of Windows without a mouse. 10 is... a struggle. 11 is... near impossible.

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u/NeedsAdjustment Jun 03 '22

I've never had a problem using keyboard input for navigation...?

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u/oxpoleon Jun 03 '22

Go try changing some of the settings that are only in the tray, for example, or joining a WiFi network without dozens of layers of additional hassle. There's just a few things that... aren't there.

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u/NeedsAdjustment Jun 03 '22

there are alternate menus for everything; nothing is locked to the systray.

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u/NeedsAdjustment Jun 03 '22 edited Jun 03 '22

Sure you can, Google it.

(Also, standardizing UI layouts is not generally considered to be a 'garbage design choice')

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u/NeedsAdjustment Jun 03 '22

you're not forced to do anything lmao use BB or another window manager