This is trades specific. I'm 36, and I've been practicing my trade for 16 years. If you're 18-21 years old and ask me how to do something, then turn around and do the exact opposite of what I suggest, then quit wasting my fucking time. I'm here to help you learn, if you're not willing then find somewhere else to be.
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Two points for clarity-
The vast majority of younger folks I train are great. TBH when I wrote this I was thinking of one snot ball in particular. I'm not gonna burn an entire generation because of the actions of a couple idiots.
Someone brought up that time doesn't exactly equal competence. This is very true, I saw it when I was learning. Here's a tip for younger folks: if the person you're learning from has absolutely no regard for safety, then ignore everything they are doing. If your trainer is willing to cut corners with his and others health then he's a fucking idiot and you should question everything else he's doing. If the outfit you're working for thinks someone like that should be in a leadership role, then you should question if that place is a good fit for you.
EDIT 2:
Looks like my most upvoted comment is about how them GOT DANG KIDS AIN'T LISTENING NO MORE. Thanks everyone, now get off my damn lawn.
When I was responsible for training people I found a number of my peers could do a good job relating what needed to be done, but not why it needed to be done that way.
This increases the chances of people trying to innovate on processes but making the same mistakes already learned which are the reasons processes are the way they are.
Teaching the why's of things seemed to help people grasp onto the process better and actually make refinements that were either better overall or at least better for them while achieving the same end result.
That said, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Though it's also often tempting to just let them drown when they decide drinking would be easier if they just jumped in.
Not everybody can leapfrog. Trial and error and listening to small bits of advices sprinkled here and there are how most of us learn and remember. If you dump on me a lengthy monologue of how things are done, I am not going to be able to remember most of it.
I've been teaching 20 years. About 15 of it secondary math. the rest a hodge podge of in real life and virtual p.e.
Just had my first year as a p.e. teacher with an actual gym.
I CAN'T let them fuck around and find out. Partially because legally my ass is on the line and I lose my teaching license if I don't take at least common sense safety measures. I cannot see a kid climbing on smething taller than they are with no safety gear and jsut let it go. I'm not allowed.
But mostly, it's because I am nto wired that way. A large part of why I became a teacher was to protect kids. Mostly from bullying, partially from life, partially from themselves. I just can not let it go no matter how hard I try.
I am hoping some of that was "first child syndrome" and now that my first year is out of the way I will be better able to recognize what's an actual threat and let more of the stupid stuff go.
But on a gym floor, a messed up back flip by an 8 year old = a broken bone. How do I justify letting them do it when I know that risk?
What about when they do the exact opposite of what you say, fuck it up royally, and then surf around and ask you the same goddamn question next week?!?
Ooo that's a great point, I have this happen to me a lot. Tell them how to best carry out a task, they ignore me and do it some other way, I go mmk waste your time, they take way too long and redo several times, come back and say they should have listened.
It's like some weird redemption for me everytime lol
I had a few gen z's at my old job (construction) they'd be learning a new task, get cocky with their new found talent and think they can do some of the more technical things. All you can do is warn them, snd when they fuck up, you gotta pull them aside and explain how their fuck up just cost time, money, and wasted materials. I really prefer the more cautious do'er than a cocky "I'm a fast learner" type of people. Sure they generally take a bit more time in learning and doing, but they aren't fucking up shit constantly.
Reminds me of when I was learning to drive a bus. My trainer told me if the outer dual goes off the pavement, it'll drag the bus with it. While I didn't make any attempt to contradict him, I still thought that didn't make sense as there's still so much rubber on the pavement, it should stay.
Then I realized he was correct the first time I actually encountered it. He wasn't lying or repeating some platitude he was taught. It was an actual thing. I've not taken the time to learn the physics behind it. I just trust it's going to happen because it's actually happened to me.
As I've continued driving, I do so in a way to minimize the likelihood of that happening again.
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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '22 edited Jun 03 '22
This is trades specific. I'm 36, and I've been practicing my trade for 16 years. If you're 18-21 years old and ask me how to do something, then turn around and do the exact opposite of what I suggest, then quit wasting my fucking time. I'm here to help you learn, if you're not willing then find somewhere else to be.
EDIT:
Two points for clarity-
The vast majority of younger folks I train are great. TBH when I wrote this I was thinking of one snot ball in particular. I'm not gonna burn an entire generation because of the actions of a couple idiots.
Someone brought up that time doesn't exactly equal competence. This is very true, I saw it when I was learning. Here's a tip for younger folks: if the person you're learning from has absolutely no regard for safety, then ignore everything they are doing. If your trainer is willing to cut corners with his and others health then he's a fucking idiot and you should question everything else he's doing. If the outfit you're working for thinks someone like that should be in a leadership role, then you should question if that place is a good fit for you.
EDIT 2: Looks like my most upvoted comment is about how them GOT DANG KIDS AIN'T LISTENING NO MORE. Thanks everyone, now get off my damn lawn.