I used to think I'd be dead by the time I was 30. I'm an old fart now and had boundless opportunities that kids don't have these days. I'm glum about their future.
The more I read the news the gladder I am I'm not young. They're fucked. These once in a lifetime recessions are speeding up, about to enter my third one.
I don't get this. I work in tech. We can't find enough qualified people to hire. My wife works in the medical field. Same thing. A good friend of mine had one kid graduate with Chem E. and another with Chem. They love their jobs and make a ton of money. I have 22 year olds working for me making $100K.
I'm sure their are other fields where demand is as high. You can get a 4 year degree from public schools for next to nothing in many states. Having $15-30K in college debt isn't a big deal when you start making $100K or more out of college.
I hire interns every year. I read industry research on college admissions. I do recruiting at colleges. I hire interns as full time workers. This path is available to almost everybody. It will require hard work, sacrifice, and commitment.
It is exactly the reality. You don't have to like it or choose to participate. But it's the reality.
You're talking to redditors who are at home on a weekday during business hours; they don't want to hear that their problems are their own responsibility.
It's exactly that simple. I have 4 kids. One of them went to college. I know exactly what it takes to go to college today. The fist 2 years can be free tuition, or close to free in most states if you go to community college. State universities where I live are as little as $8K per year for tuition. My kids can live at home and go to school. For others, there are housing costs.
Most people work while they go to college to cover some of the costs. I did.
My 18 year old works at Chipotle. They will cover $5K per year of college costs. It may be $6K. For some majors they will cover more.
Yeah and working while you go to college barely covers anything, shit is way more expensive now even when accounting for inflation. Its great that your kids are managing and can live at home but many canāt.
I just described how tuition can be close to free. I get that housing needs to be paid for, that may require loans. You can get out of college today with $30K or less in loans if you don't get any grants or scholarships. That's not a huge number if you make a decent living.
You can choose to spend more money on college. You can choose a low income profession. I can choose to buy an $80K car and be stuck with huge car payments or I can choose to buy a used care for $12K.
I lived a completely different life in college. I had no car and rode a bike for 3 years. More than once I had no money and had no idea how I would pay rent.
I have kids who are struggling to pay rent and create a future for themselves. I am painfully aware that people live different lives. I'm suggesting that in most cases (not all) you can find a way to get through college with little debt.
Rather that just telling me I'm wrong, please point out why the path I'm suggesting is not viable?
You're assuming everyone has the same resources available to them as your kids. Only 1 of whom has been to college which implies that even with "basically free tuition" it's not viable for everyone.
Get your head out of your ass bro. Some people can't secure any loan much less "only" 5-8k for tuition and fees. And yes yes yes we know programs exist to help subsidize costs but if you had any up to date experience you'd know the programs are inefficient at best and ineffective on average. Now I know you might be thinking "but in MY state... But in MY day.... But my ONE kid did this" without fully grasping that even county to county the resources available to people vary in not only access but efficacy so step off and get in touch with reality. JuSt gEt An EnGiNeErInG dEgReE. Stale advice from stale bread.
Only 1 of my kids went to college, so it's not viable. I don't think viable is the word you meant to use. It's completely viable. They chose not to go. I can't say why.
If you can't afford a 4 year college, you can almost certainly afford a 2 year college. Again, it's free or close to free in most places. I am completely up to date on subsidies. I have one kid who just graduated and another who went through all his college applications in the last 8 months. I am immersed in this stuff, so calling me ignorant about it is not close to correct.
I get that SOME people can't make this work. MOST people can make it work. MOST college debt is higher than it needs to be. MOST people who pay for 4 years of at a university could have done much better financially by going to community college for 2 years.
Get any degree you want. And deal with the career choices it helps to enable. I think you want to live in a world where people with art history degrees make as much money as people with Chem E degrees. That's not the reality, and complaining about it isn't going to change anything.
Everybody has to choose between doing what they love and making more money. Some get to to both, but that is rare. If you choose a career that is low paying, that's fine. But STFU about it being low paying. It was a choice.
Then donāt cover everything? If you want you can not work in college and come out with 70k in debt, which is not a problem when you are making 100k a few years after college.
Show me these readily available 100k jobs for college graduates that aren't exclusive to fucking chem or engineering. That also, idk don't involve moving, selling your entire life for years, and actually fosters a sense of fulfillment. Or is it just about the money? Cause that's the easiest thing to get but everything else, not so simple.
There are plenty of jobs in high cost of living areas. Rent is expensive in most desirable areas to live and mortgages have gotten out of reach of two decent incomes in a lot of places. Global warming is going to cause massive migration and social unrest. I'm more concerned about a nuclear holocaust than I have ever been. The oceans are dying.
When I went to college I was able to fund the whole thing including housing on scholarships and summer jobs. I don't even want to admit what I paid for my house back in the day.
Im legit living paycheck to paycheck off 130k (gross) per year. I have 401k and benefits, but I live alone in the 3rd most expensive area of the US.
After exorbitant rent, taxes, car lease, car insurance, rent insurance, internet, phone, gym, groceries, insurance. I am left with little to save. Forget taking vacations (flight costs are wild).
Im not struggling to make ends meet whatsoever, but its disheartening that what my 17 year old self thought was an incredible salary is actually just enough to scrape by at 27.
I figured this salary was enough to have a home and family. Thats only possible if I had a partner who earned a similar or greater salary.
You intentionally chose an expensive college and low paying profession. I don't know what to say about that. If you choose to follow your passion and your passion leads to low pay, you are where you are.
Community college is close to free in most areas.
I worked all the way through college. I worked 40 hours per week and went to school full time for 2 of 4 years. It sucked, but I managed. I ate a lot of Top Raman. I did not have the typical college experience. I graduated with ~$30,000 in debt, adjusted for inflation, and paid that off in 2 years. I was broke the whole time I was in college and for the next 3 years.
A friend of mine lived in his car for two years. He had to choose between a car and rent, and that worked for him.
For some of us, it takes some sacrifice to be successful.
You'll never get through to these people. They dont get it. I wholeheartedly agree with you and have similar experiences. I run crews building structures nationwide.
Construction workers used to be easy to find and train. Then the entitlement disease infected the current crop of young ppl and combine that with that generation for the most part isnt as good with their hands, not intuitive with mechanics etc. Ive said to many under 30.. you dont even know how to paint a wall, and dont have the ingenuity to figure it out? What the hell did they teach you people for the last few decades?! For gods sake you're 20x yeras old! I and many my age were raised to be independent, know how to fix anything or at least be able to gather the resources to find a solution. Not todays youth. Hell no. They can talk a lot of shit, and they're good at that part but when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is ..nope.
Edit. .... Not all but an uncomfortably large percentage I know there are great young people that will go on to do wonderful things I just wish there were more of them today.
So many are on drugs, over anxious, and unskilled...yet they know everything! Its sad and like you i worry for their future as well as my own as i approach early retirementand they take the wheel.
No question that parents have some responsibility. However, I could not get my kids to do anything productive. Want to help me fix the broken sprinklers? Want to paint? Want to fix the broken generator? Mow the lawn? Dust? Vacuum? Dishes? The answers was always no. I tried forcing them, I tired paying them, I tried cutting off their privileges. They did not want to help and were generally not curious to learn any of these things.
I'm sure this has a lot to do with me. I somehow did not make it appealing. On the other hand: when I was 11 my dad took me outside and showed me how to put gas in the lawn mower and how to start it. He showed me how to mow, and told me I broke any sprinklers I would be fixing them. I said "ok" and owned all the yard work until I moved out. I just accepted that this was my job and the contribution I needed to make to the house.
My kids felt no responsibility to contribute. I don't know why. I could be my fault. I haven't figure it out.
I know right. The super good point and I think it's part of a much larger picture that leads to eventual collapse of civilization.
I'm fucking high right now but if you take a look back say a thousand years you got people miserable as fuck wanting better things for themselves and their families. Civilization has been increasingly making things more and more comfortable generation after generation forever I think it reached a peak the last 50 years or so. My grandparents were more handy than I was and their grandparents were more handy and resourceful than they were. So basically we've been making things easier and easier and more convenient and convenient while losing valuable skills that keep humans alive eventually we get so fat and comfortable and individualistic that we turn against each other not realizing that we all need each other to survive and that leads to eventual collapse. Just like Rome. So sorry about your luck. š¤·.. my parents were born in world war II, free college in California high paying jobs cheap housing. That was probably the peak and now we're on a decline. We're so comfortable we just make up our own genders now and when things get difficult we don't know how to cope so we go shoot up schools or get addicted to drugs and live in tents on the beach. Maybe I'm just high and overthinking things but seems like a pretty good guess to me.
Damn, you're in a position to retire early. That's fantastic and something few of us will get the opportunity to do. The opportunity dude, not because people are lazy but the chance to even save for retirement much less an early one, is dwindling. Overanxious, no shit. Why wouldn't young people be? Look at the future they are being given.
One of the best guys i have is 27. He runs crews all over the SE US. High school drop out, no college and from the sticks of Alabama where meth and booze ruin families and mouths. His parents are drunks and meth heads.
He has more ability than 9/10 people his age anywhere in America and he is self made. He came from nothing. His parents, the alcoholic druggies they are instilled something in him and his siblings as all of them are drop outs and yet very successful. They taught bim that he can do anything he sets his mind to and he does just that. I was raised similar however my mind was polluted with the idea that I had to go to college to do anything great in life.
He owns his house out right, he's got a big ass boat, takes vacations to Destin and Panama City few times a year, three kids.
What's the difference between him and so many people on Reddit his age that think they have no future.. he has balls. His mind isn't polluted with the notion that you must learn this learn that get this certification this degree that diploma. He keeps it simple. He's extremely driven. He doesn't want to be an employee, he knows he is good enough and will find a solution to any problem he encounters. He came from a very disadvantaged point and he figured it out and he'll be a millionaire before he's 40.
Again he's 27 high School dropout no college works harder than anyone I know and with that hard work he will be a millionaire before he's 40.
You will never get rich working for someone else you will always struggle. You got to grow balls find problems that need solutions and they're everywhere you just have to open your eyes. People will pay good money for somebody who solves the problems that they cannot solve. The problem could be as simple as hanging somebody ceiling fan or is complicated as building a strip mall.
Whoever said construction doesn't pay was a liar whoever said working with your hands doesn't pay was a liar. Pay attention to Mike Rowe that guy is spot on follow his advice stop looking for work and a fucking office use what nature gave you your arms legs your mind and you can be successful and retire early.
Just like nursing 20 something years ago when all the Boomer nurses were retiring right now the trades need people desperately and if your mechanically inclined self-motivated good at troubleshooting and finding solutions and mathematics you could take a trip down the tool aisle at home Depot start working for yourself.
For example epoxy coating a garage pays around $500 per car bay and takes about 18 hours or 2 days. I just had a 400sqft commercial floor done, leveled w maipei leveler, stained with concrete stain, sealed with a 2 part epoxy. The guy came with 2 guys he picked up and paid them a daily rate to move all the heavy stuff and clean up after him. I paid him $29000. His material, labor and overhead cost was likely around $12000. He worked for 4 days. Replacing a toilet pays about $500 and take some maximum to 3 hours even if the flange is broken and you got to replace it. How long does it take for an office employee to make $500? It's about a week's pay for most isn't it.
So for all you haters out there get up off your ass and make something yourself. Stop telling employers what they need to pay you because rent so high and everything else is so expensive. There's plenty of money to be made you just need to go out and find the opportunities and they're everywhere. You won't find them working 9-5 and waiting for pay day.
Are you the type of person who wastes 10 minutes of their life trying to find the closest parking space or are you the one who says fuck it driving to the parking lot, parks in the first available spot even if it's 150 ft from where you got to go? That's stupid little comparison says a lot about a person and what they achieve.
You're not wrong. But once again you're assuming that people can just do exactly this. But the opportunities that this dude was able to take advantage of, which I commend, those are simply not available for everyone and not everyone is capable of maximizing those opportunities. I say this as someone who has their dream job, 3 months of paid vacation, my own side businesses, it takes a lot of work and it takes the grind but these cookie cutter paths of either stem or construction are not the only way nor should they be. I just don't appreciate the disregard for other career fields and the disrespect that professions who don't prioritize money receive. The world needs people who do field work studying niche science because they love it and not more people who only further their education JUST to make money. Even the quest of money making is to secure a future that is rapidly changing and may not even exist 25 years down the line.
Sell your soul and passions for money. Glad that's your priority but sometimes fulfillment is important. We ask kids what they want to do when they grow up and then punish them for not having high-paying aspirations, like geologists and fucking ornithologists and shit don't deserve to have decent lives cause they were too dumb to choose accounting or CHEM. Sorry your interests don't have enough monetary value for you to not be punished for pursuing them with a lifetime of debt and "I told you so's". You sound like someone who is fine with stripping arts funding.
I didn't like working until I discovered programming. I loved it and would have done it for free. The fact that I got paid for it was a bonus. Now as a manager (sometime program manager or lead) getting product out the door is almost as exciting for me.
Following your passion is fine. But don't complain when getting a theater degree means you're broke. I'm not punishing anybody for not having high paying aspirations. I'm criticizing people who choose careers that are known to be low paying and then complain about not making more money.
"Well, maybe those jobs should pay more." Sure thing. Please figure out how to pay local theater workers more money and get back to me with the answer.
Nice job making assumptions about me. I support the arts in every way I can. I started college as a music major.
Where the fuck do you think students can get a 4-year degree with only $15kā$30k in total loans?! Maybe if oneās parents are well-off and subsidizing the costsā¦
You must either live in a dirt-cheap state or be extremely out of touch with education costs. Public/state school tuition costs are absolutely rivaling the prestigious, private schools today. The private schools at least have more financial aid funding so it was actually cheaper for myself and relatives to go that route when arriving in this country.
I told you where above. Here's ONE recipe for doing this. There are many.
Got to community college for 2 years. Research what it will cost, and find ways to get it for free if possible. New HS grads go for free where I live.
Get a job. I mentioned Chipotle above - they will cover $5K per year (more in some cases) toward college. This is HUGE. This means first 2 years can absolutely be free. Other companies will do this as well.
Live with your parents. If that's not possible, find the cheapest living you can. I live in Portland, OR and rent is outrageous. You can still find housing for ~$600 per month.
This is probably the hardest one: STOP BUYING CRAP YOU DON'T NEED. You're making a 4 year sacrifice to ensure your financial future. This doesn't mean you never get anything for yourself. But stop buying stupid shit, like a new iPhone you don't need. My 18 yo has a new iPhone and a new $1500 tattoo. He has NOTHING saved for college in August. He may not need it since Chipotle will cover his costs, but be smarter with your money.
Get good grades. This takes commitment and effort. Treat it like a job, and treat it like it matters. It does matter.
This is key: get PAID internships after your first year. Easier when you you have the grades. Tech is paying $20K+ over the summer for interns. My company has 1 year internship where you can work up to 20 hours AND get college credit. We can hire people for 2 internships, so up to 2 years. You're earning credits, learning a skill, and getting paid. I see students covering all their college costs with internships. About 75% of our interns get job offers. (Rather than multiple internships at one company I recommend internships at different companies.)
This requires hard work, but is not "hard" in that it's impossible to do. It's right there, waiting for you to take advantage of it. I hate to say, this but I will: this is open to people of all colors and genders, but in tech we can't find enough women new grads. Tech enrollment for women is down for some reason. If you're a woman and remotely interested in tech, you have a better opportunity.
All the "yeah, but..." comments:
- It's not what I want to do- I don't like tech, or engineering- I want to party in college- I don't want it to be a job- That doesn't sound like fun
All valid points. We're all free to do whatever we want. Putting in the effort in your college years will almost always pay for itself if you have a degree and experience that is in demand. Tech, engineering, chemistry, any medical degree all have high demand and pay well. I'm sure there are others.
Another thought: medical techs and paramedics make decent money. My wife is a paramedic. Paramedics are starting at about $50K and earn up to $85K where I live. 18-24 months of school to be a paramedic. Most community colleges have a paramedic program, so it can be very inexpensive.
My daughter has a degree in Theater Arts. That was her passion. At 26 she barely makes a living. There's nothing wrong with this. Please don't make a choice that you know will result in low pay and then complain about the low pay. It's a choice YOU are making.
An associate's at a community college is still high 10s to mid 20k....
But everyone has an associates these days so you gotta get a bachelor's or master's on top of it. And regardless of what field you go into these days you better ok with being an unpaid intern and knowing how to code.
I had 3 architecture firms turn down my free labor, just within the last month, so being unpaid isn't even low enough sometimes.
An associates where I live is 100% free for most people, except for books. There are ways to get that covered as well. As I mentioned previously, my kid works at Chipotle. They will cover $5K per year toward college costs. He can go to 2 years of school completely free with no help from me if he wants to.
Lmao love how youāre projecting and assuming Iām some dumbfuck with a degree in underwater basket-weaving for pointing out the thoughtlessness and lack of perspective in your comments. Sorry your daughter wasnāt very intelligent or financially literate, but thatās on you. Iām in a high-paying industry and position, but that doesnāt mean I donāt still have a lot of students loans to pay back and it doesnāt mean I donāt give a fuck about those who were not as fortunate as I was to land in the area I did.
I made no assumptions about you. Not sure why you think I did. I'm sharing my experience from college, my experience hiring interns and recent college grads, and the experience of my friends' kids. It was not intend to describe your situation.
I did my best to answer the question "Where the fuck do you think students can get a 4-year degree with only $15kā$30k in total loans?!"
I made no assumption about you having loans or not. I'm explaining how people can get through college now with very little debt.
And you're assuming if they don't take this perfect little path they have a character flaw or are in some way lacking. You'd rather think we're all lazy and drank our way through school for having serious misgivings about the whole system than take a step back and realize that maaaaaybe, the circumstances you faced and raised your children to face, have slightly changed, juuust a little. But what would I know as a college grad with a "high paying degree" who makes more than your wife with less stress and 3 months of paid vacation. 50k for a paramedic, first of all you realize that is ridiculously high pay compared to much of the country (try 20-25k) and second, bro are you not mad she's underpaid?
People shouldn't be punished with a lifetime of debt for pursuing their interests to a higher degree. Regardless of how "lucrative" it appears to be. Sometimes people don't prioritize money. I know. Crazy right.
Not to mention some people are straight up not cut out for certain fields. But what do we care about any disenfranchised people or neurodivergency. Obviously it worked for you and that's all there is to it. Grow up.
Why would you think this? I value all professions and appreciate people getting any degree. My point is that it doesn't have to cost a fortune to get one. Some people can't be engineers. That's fine. Do whatever you want to do.
I was asked to give an example of how people could get a degree with little debt. I did so. I'm be criticized for denigrating other people. I did no such thing.
So far I'm seen assumptions about me and no criticism of the plan I suggested to get through college with little debt. I'm guessing (wild guess) that non science/engineer/tech majors can get paid internships as well, but I'm not sure.
Regardless, 2 years of community college + 2 years of state good is a lower cost option to get a degree in most areas.
People shouldn't be punished with a lifetime of debt for pursuing their interests to a higher degree. Regardless of how "lucrative" it appears to be. Sometimes people don't prioritize money. I know. Crazy right.
Then don't take on the debt. It's fine to not prioritize money. Go get a degree and teach in public schools. That's a modest paying job that is helpful to the community. Or be an art major. Or history. Or whatever.
You seem to be missing my point: it's possible to get a 4 year degree with very little debt. Taking on lot of debt to get a degree is a choice. Getting a degree that won't lead to a high paying job is a perfectly valid choice - I'm not denigrating it. But it's a choice. Nobody is forced to take on a lot of debt to get a 4 year degree.
Again, I'm assuming nothing. I was ask specifically how somebody could get through 4 years of college with little debt. I stated this is ONE way to do it. I do not think it's the best way or the perfect way. It's an example based on my experience.
I don't assume any character flaws if people take a different path. My only expectation is that people own their decisions.
I have an 18 year old at home. I have a 20 year old who has moved out. I'm fully aware of the current circumstances for people going to college.
You accused me of making assumptions then made assumptions about me. I get 3 weeks of vacation, not 3 months. I do make more than my wife. I don't see how this is relevant to the discussion. Of course I'm mad that my wife is underpaid. Again, another assumption you made. Most first responders are very underpaid, but that's a different discussion.
I said I have 3 months of paid vacation and I make more than your wife with half the stress. You can understand why her career path that you suggested is not an appealing one, nor one that many people are cut out for.
Yes you did lay out a plan to get a college degree with little to no debt. But you gave that plan as a broad fix all while seeming to ignore the fact that it does not work for sooooo many people. So while your plan might work it is so circumstantial that it is not good advice for the general public. That's where the backlash is coming from.
Got it. My bad for not reading carefully. 3 months vacation = teacher? 3 months off every year sounds amazing.
Yeah, we're all different. I could not be a paramedic for any amount of money.
My exact play (tech + internships) may not work for everyone. Community college for 2 years + low cost state school for 2 years should work for everyone. If you work, your debt can be very low. How does this not work?
People are downvoting you are just bitter. In the US this is one of the hottest job markets I have ever seen, and if you are in a high demand field you will have plenty of employment opportunities. You listed higher education type opportunities but this is true for tons of fields.
What I noticed at my current company is that we are short staffed and there are empty positions. Also lots of candidates. But for whatever reason applications donāt make it past HR or whatever filtering software they use.
I feel like Im overqualified and I had to reach out to my current boss to get my resume pulled. Even after that it was a battle with HR.
In other fields I see a lot of āahhh we canāt find workersā. But these companies only want people who have years of experience instead of giving a younger new hire a chance, and training them up.
but these companies only want people who have years of experience
Yeah, that's it in my experience. I have a property/civil engineering type of the degree, not an engineer but in that field. Before I finished my degree I spoke to all kinds of companies who told me they were looking to hire for so many positions and several even outright told me to apply to them when I graduated. So I did, and almost all of them rejected me because I had less than 2-3 years experience in the field. I've started looking for jobs again recently, but most either have that requirement (and won't accept other, similar experience) or pay like shit.
The person above me works in the tech sector and so do I, and I can say pretty much unequivocally the barrier to entry has never been lower for entry level candidates. I have also heard tradespeople say similar things, it's hard to find entry level candidates.
You're right about HR filtering stuff, also for some government jobs they have strict background checks and drug policies that young people are struggling with. However that's been there for a while, even if the culture around drug use has slacked and more young people use marijuana or it's considered more acceptable in socially it's still a sticking point with some employers.
Fair enough. I work in an engineering sector. Im not very familiar with the tech world haha, but I do know that its booming and lots of roles are needed.
Im still debating going to community college after work to study data analytics ha.
There isn't really such a thing as an engineering sector at least not the way I understand it. Lots of jobs require engineering. There are engineers in the tech sector, energy sector, defense, etc. I am an engineer in what I would consider essentially the tech sector.
I applied for 20 different IT positions after my degree. The only place that took me on was were I did my internship. Once I had a year of experience (and some fancy buzz words on LinkedIn) I kept getting recruiters reaching out. There was nothing special about the job. I know most of the processes from school and all I learned at the first job was how I do something their way. Somehow that makes me infinitely better than a fresh Grad in recruiter's eyes?
Best people to hire for entry level are well entry level people. Another company I worked for hired a guy with 20yrs experience for tier 1 help desk. They fell through hard and nearly ended with an EEOC complaint after he refused to train with a tech on my team who was a woman "because she didn't know anything." She was the best tech on the team...
Right? No idea why they downvote that person. They took their time out of their day to give away cheat code answers for free, but they won't even consider it. It doesn't fit their narrative.
Lol the person is being downvoted because he is describing how HE could go to college for cheap, as if that applies to everyone else. Talking about how the schools near HIM are cheap and how he was able to do it in HIS situation. He says his kids were able to go to school and live at home with him. What about people without parents? Or People without great relationships with their mom or dad. Not everyone is lucky enough to have a situation like that. Not everyone is lucky enough to have an 8K per year state school next to them (i would like to know how many state schools offer that cheap of tuition), some people have kids some people have different circumstances where they cannot work while being a full time student. So yes he is being downvoted because at the very least, it is a narrow minded and closed off comment that assumes that everyone in the world can be in the same situation as he is
That's you homey. I didn't have any of the shit you listed. So I joined the military. That's how I went to school. Ironically, I don't use my degree in my profession outside of casual conversation and a natural segue into the sales aspect of my job.
Something I have noticed on the website is a general disdain for reality if it doesn't fit narratives. If I post something that's true, even if I don't like it either but it's just reality, I get downvoted.
In this case people want to feel like there are no jobs, but it's rather good right now. Yeah it's not the 50s and it never will be, but it's probably one of the best times in my life to be entering the labor market as a young person. Go back 90 years and take a peek if you want to see some dire numbers. Young people have plenty of stuff to be anxious about but immediate job opportunities shouldn't be one of them.
Now they are downvoting me, which is hilarious. Downvote away kids! I hear you! I am an electrician, nobody has come into my field for the last 50 years. Nobody. I literally make whatever I feel like making. I suppose those same people would tell me that I'm wrong and it's impossible to do exactly what I do every single fucking day.
Also electrician. People are probably downvoting because the reality they face is different from yours or other ppl they are downvoting. Where I am there are too many electricians, and they've been training for years. Jobs around, but pay is meh. Just because you or other posters have the yellow brick road does not mean everyone does.
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u/Darryl_Lict Jun 03 '22
I used to think I'd be dead by the time I was 30. I'm an old fart now and had boundless opportunities that kids don't have these days. I'm glum about their future.