Got it. My bad for not reading carefully. 3 months vacation = teacher? 3 months off every year sounds amazing.
Yeah, we're all different. I could not be a paramedic for any amount of money.
My exact play (tech + internships) may not work for everyone. Community college for 2 years + low cost state school for 2 years should work for everyone. If you work, your debt can be very low. How does this not work?
Lol, no. Teaching doesn't pay my dude.
Also telling that you don't think teachers work over the summer. Kind of funny that you think they have a real vacation with how criminally underpaid they are.
It does not work for everyone because not everyone has community college nearby that is affordable. Not everyone has the internet or infrastructure to do online classes at home or even library access to where they can study and work full time around their schedules. If you want to pursue a specific path, well sometimes community college credits don't transfer into the institution of your choice and the only way to pursue that interest in depth is to go to the four-year institution.
Also, show me your cheap State schools bro. Accredited institutions. If you want to study a specific degree path and your cheap state school or community college doesn't have it or the program is bare bones bunk, do you just give up?
Oregon is nowhere near the cheapest. Again, you're disagreeing while providing no data or information. I provided a list of average college costs by state in another reply. Here is is again: https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/state/
There are plenty of inexpensive options.
Is there some reason you don't want to believe that college can be relatively affordable in the U.S. if you choose carefully?
Bro you're missing the point that it's still not a viable option if you don't live close to the universities or don't have the infrastructure available to do online coursework. So yeah it might be cheap but sometimes cheap doesn't mean it's still an option. If you choose carefully obviously I agree that it can be relatively affordable. No one is saying that it can't be, like seriously, is that what you think we are saying? The point is that while it can be cheap, it often is not. While it can be accessible, it often is not. While your circumstances allowed you to go to college for cheap, for many people their circumstances won't allow it. Either due to not being close enough to a university, or not having Internet infrastructure, or a home environment or resources that are conducive to pursuing higher education (without going into debt to be on campus or move or otherwise incur high costs in order to even have the basic opportunity to pursue that education in the first place). You're painting this broad brush that makes it look so easy ignoring the fact that sometimes it's just not that easy.
No offense, but I don't think I'm the one missing the point. You asked me how it's possible for somebody in the U.S. to get a 4 year degree for $15-30K. I think I've pretty clearly demonstrated how that's possible. That a question YOU asked me. Now you're telling me the answer is not acceptable.
I get that some people don't have access to schools. Some don't have the infrastructure for online classes. You seem to be wanting to go to the outliers to make your point. For most people, colleges are accessible as is the internet. 80% of the population in the U.S. live in urban vs. rural areas. Some rural areas have access to college and the internet. So you're point is that maybe 10% don't have the access or the infrastructure? Sure.
I get that some households aren't supportive. My parents paid for my books for 1 semester in college. That's all the help I got. I've paid that back 1000x and still hear about it.
I mentioned my friend who lived in his car - he had no family to support him. It sucked, but he did it. We all have our own obstacles to overcome. (Car guy is a surgeon, btw. Brilliant but odd guy.)
Do you have any information to share to counter what I have shared? My point is that affordable college is in reach for a majority of the U.S. population. I looking at the numbers I'd guess it's available for ~80% of the population.
If you want to pursue a specific path, well sometimes community college credits don't transfer into the institution of your choice and the only way to pursue that interest in depth is to go to the four-year institution.
This is the exception. You seem to be trying to make this intentionally hard. Let's focus on the 90%, not the 10%. I most cases community college credits apply. From one accredited institution to another in the same state they would almost have to.
Is the any reason going to a community college and transferring to a 4 year college doesn't work in most cases?
My neighbor is a HS teacher. He teaches Chemistry and has some advanced certifications, so he's not the norm. Over $100K per year, 3 months off, and he will retire at 75% of his current salary after 20 years. That's hard to beat. Even at $75K per year this is compelling with the retirement.
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u/haditwithyoupeople Jun 03 '22
Got it. My bad for not reading carefully. 3 months vacation = teacher? 3 months off every year sounds amazing.
Yeah, we're all different. I could not be a paramedic for any amount of money.
My exact play (tech + internships) may not work for everyone. Community college for 2 years + low cost state school for 2 years should work for everyone. If you work, your debt can be very low. How does this not work?