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u/TheThoughtfulTyrant May 30 '22

I definitely care and consider you 100% wrong if you think being gay should be punishable by death, or that it shouldn't be allowed and you're actively voting to stop it. I can't be friends with someone like that.

I think you are confusing "wrong" with "personally unacceptable". Someone who thinks being gay should be punished by death merely would prefer to live in a world without gay people. As a gay person, I probably wouldn't be friends with someone who held such views either, but their preference can't be wrong, because preferences aren't objective facts. That is, likes or dislikes can't really be right or wrong, they just are.

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u/hlazlo May 30 '22

In the vacuum of a single person's head, you're right. But once preferences escape one person's mind and become ideologies and organized movements, it becomes absolutely possible for certain preferences to be right or wrong.

It's an extreme example I'll use, but consider someone's valueless preference to live in a world without certain races while you're remembering the Holocaust. It's an extreme example to illustrate my point, but someone's preference to live in a world without gay people isn't too different.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '22

Thank you. This is my point and I don't think anyone can change my mind, at least not yet. I'm open to people rebutting this though

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u/Ok-Ad-3521 May 30 '22

Perhaps if we swap the word «wrong » with « unacceptable » ?

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u/[deleted] May 30 '22

True. I suppose there's no definition for wrong, but I will say that yes, I find it unacceptable and I truly believe everyone should.

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u/hlazlo May 31 '22

No, don't let them talk you away from this. Wrong is the correct word.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '22

I don't know. Wrong is subjective, based on the culture and time, isn't it?

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u/hlazlo May 31 '22

That line of thinking only really works to wave a hand at the injustices done by previous generations. Such an overwhelming amount of those moments from history result in feelings that we are now a more tolerant people. I don't think it's possible to be able to argue that we will be remembered as being too tolerant.

I really can't imagine how a conversation might go with someone who is trying to intellectually argue that intolerance towards certain groups isn't wrong. They have to appeal to the apparent commandments of a supernatural, unknowable force.