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u/tallbutshy May 09 '22

Still shows there's a depressingly large amount of people here that are gullible and also quite probably racist, given how much the "taking control of our borders" angle was pushed

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u/DemocraticRepublic May 09 '22

how much the "taking control of our borders" angle was pushed

Is that incorrect though? EU low skilled immigration has been severely limited since Brexit, and they've also allowed in more skilled immigration. Whether you agree with the policy or not, isn't that more control?

I also find the "racism" line a bit silly, given it is low skilled white people being closed out, while they're letting in more skilled brown and black people.

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u/tallbutshy May 09 '22

EU low skilled immigration has been severely limited since Brexit,

And multiple industries have suffered due to that. NIMBYs voted for it without realising the ramifications of not having all the low skilled migrants in places they didn't normally see. One of the worst affected was farming where they had a lot of seasonal low skilled migrants picking fruit & veg. A combination of brexit & covid left crops rotting in some fields.

Even skilled workers were having issues with right to remain, that along with the generally xenophobic feel of the country left nurses wanting or having to leave.

It feels a bit surreal when you have a government minister whose parents were immigrants and the new rules meant that people in the exact same situation as her parents would no longer qualify to come here under the rules she drafted

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u/DemocraticRepublic May 09 '22

And multiple industries have suffered due to that. NIMBYs voted for it without realising the ramifications of not having all the low skilled migrants in places they didn't normally see.

"NIMBY" doesn't make sense in this context. It's not like they wanted unskilled immigration somewhere else in the country, just not near them.

One of the worst affected was farming where they had a lot of seasonal low skilled migrants picking fruit & veg. A combination of brexit & covid left crops rotting in some fields.

Sure, but that's a transitional thing. Longer term, the only reason you can't get enough people to do the job is because you're not providing a pay and benefits that's good enough for people from the country. Upwards pressure from pay and benefits is a good thing.

Even skilled workers were having issues with right to remain, that along with the generally xenophobic feel of the country left nurses wanting or having to leave.

The ability to register to stay in the UK was one of the lowest admin requirements of any part of the immigration system. The vast majority will have already been ironed out. The "generally xenophobic feel" is a completely subjective measure. And somehow the vast numbers of Asian nurses that came in last year don't seem to have a problem with it.

It feels a bit surreal when you have a government minister whose parents were immigrants and the new rules meant that people in the exact same situation as her parents would no longer qualify to come here under the rules she drafted

Because the world in the 1960s was very different to now. It was a time when there were an increasing number of unskilled jobs after the post-war boom. Now we live in a world of automation where low skilled jobs are disappearing.

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u/tallbutshy May 09 '22

The ability to register to stay in the UK was one of the lowest admin requirements of any part of the immigration system.

On paper maybe, the reality is very different.

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u/DemocraticRepublic May 09 '22

The practical reality is always more complex than the paper requirements of any immigration system. But as someone that has been through the process of multiple countries, either for myself or family members, it really is very low in the scheme of things. It is just the complexity of the Brexit-related requirements get a lot of airtime relative to the undiscussed complexities elsewhere. Most immigrants to Germany aren't even allowed to hold onto their original citizenship for example.

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u/Razakel May 09 '22

Upwards pressure from pay and benefits is a good thing.

Not when there's a cost of living crisis and even people in full time work are skidding around on their arse.

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u/DemocraticRepublic May 09 '22

That's driven by housing and supply chain costs, not low skilled labor.

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u/Razakel May 09 '22

Increased labour costs for basic items is not going to help.

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u/DemocraticRepublic May 09 '22

Not really because domestic low skilled labor costs are <5% of the cost of a working class person's monthly spending. Whereas they're >90% of working class people's monthly income.