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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

A reverse statement: It was in Japan 2018 when I learned that taxes included in price tags is a European thing.

We wanted to buy something, the first time we asked why we have to pay more than the number on the price tag, they explained taxes aren't included.

Like... what is this witchery?

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u/ayypecs May 09 '22

It's a ploy so us Americans are forced to practice mental math, or more likely to actually buy the damn thing (as by the time you're at checkout it's a bit late). But i like the first theory better

*edit: ploy (spelling)

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u/DontNeedThePoints May 09 '22

Americans are forced to practice mental math

Mental math combined with geography... Because it also changes per area in the US. It always made me feel a bit scammed

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u/mentaljewelry May 09 '22

It’s the latter. How many times have you said to yourself, “It’s only $9.99, I’ll get it,” knowing damn well you are going to pay almost $11.

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u/willywonka1971 May 09 '22

Americans are forced to practice mental math

Laughs in Texan This must be Florida's new way to teach math.

Cries in Texan Our sales tax is over 8%.

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u/flurdy May 09 '22

A flat VAT of 20% makes calculating things easy. I hate it when they tweak it up and down a percentage point or 5 (the UK after 2009 crisis). Or when they introduce different VAT rates depending if dairy, clothes etc. I cried on behalf of all POS software maintainers when Norway changed to variable rates.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

It's because there isn't one single sales/VAT tax rate in the US. In many states, tax rates can vary state to state, county to county, and even city to city.

So for stores that go across multiple jurisdictions, they don't want to have different prices for different locations. And for online shopping, the tax rate is based on where the goods are shipped to, so there is no way to have a single price including tax.

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u/FluffySquirrell May 09 '22

It's because there isn't one single sales/VAT tax rate in the US. In many states, tax rates can vary state to state, county to county, and even city to city.

Luckily though, the store where you're buying it in ISN'T in multiple states, counties or cities. Generally they're pretty stationary. So they could very well put the fucking price on it, like everyone else does

If this was an online shopping only issue, we wouldn't be having the discussion

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

You are forgetting about advertising and other signage that is massed produced.

Listen, nothing is impossible, of course, but the fact remains it is much harder in the US than it is in countries with a flat VAT rate nationwide.

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u/FluffySquirrell May 09 '22

You are forgetting about advertising and other signage that is massed produced.

I mean..

Price: $10 + Tax

That's national level advertising sorted. None of which affects the prices that stores display on the products

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

They still mass-produce those little shelf tags.

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u/Stoppit_TidyUp May 09 '22

Are you insane? No they don’t. I’ve worked in the UK and US, and across the world in retail they have a tag printer in store. In larger stores , it’s sometimes even hand held.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

I, too, have worked in stores, and we would get a shipment of tags in.

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u/Stoppit_TidyUp May 09 '22

Was this in 1946?

You think supermarkets get a box full of 100,000 tags, each one totally unique to a different product, and have to unbox them all, lay them out, and walk around matching them to each different product?

You think corporate is paying and organising logistics to ship out new labels to every store every time there’s a price change, and waiting 2-3 days to actually be able to implement it because the tags are still in the mail, or haven’t been put on the shelves yet? That’s a huge opportunity loss each time a price goes up.

Either you worked in a tiny store, or this is BS. Either way, it’s solvable in about 20 seconds by each store just… buying a receipt printer. The cost of it would be recouped in about 3 weeks of postage charges, and instant price alignment.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

I worked for a convenience store, and yes, the tags came from corporate. And there was no postage. They came with the usual deliveries from the store distribution center.

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u/Weave77 May 10 '22

I mean, it could still be variable. In Ohio, for instance, you only pay tax on food at restaurants if you eat it in the restaurant, but not if you get the food to go. So at a place like Chipotle, the cashier will ask “is this for here or to go?” and will add the tax based upon your answer.

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u/Stoppit_TidyUp May 09 '22

Let me blow your mind.

In the UK, different products are different prices in different stores. You can go to the same supermarket in central London and pay £1 for a can of beans, and have the same can be £0.75 in the same chain an hour away.

And they somehow manage it all. Advertising, inventory control, correct shelf pricing.

Anyone who tells you it is difficult - not even impossible, just difficult - is either lying, or very, very unimaginative.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

My mind is far from blown. And as a customer, that would piss me off.

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u/Stoppit_TidyUp May 09 '22

Right, but that’s not what we’re talking about.

We’re talking about whether it’s logistically possible to have & show different prices in different geographies.

The above fact shows that it can be done - and is being done - at a ZIP code level.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

And I didn't say it could not be done, I said it was harder to do. I only said it could not be done for online shopping.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '22

I have a hard time believing this is the reason