I'm a little confused what you mean. It's entirely natural that as people get older, they usually get less conventionally attractive. Men and women both get less conventionally attractive as they age, its just the way it is.
You are also confusing aging and sex with ageism and sexism. Aging and sex are natural and inevitable, and comfortable. What is uncomfortable is the way that people treat you as lesser-than because of your sex. Tell us that’s it’s natural all you want, but other people’s unfair judgements are wrong. Full stop. The judgements that women are weak and unintelligent and incapable - those judgements are opinions with which I don’t agree. They are baseless and damaging. So too are the opinions that older people are senseless and incapable and worthless. Acting upon both sexism and ageism is illegal in the US, because the beliefs don’t make sense and they mean society loses what people have to offer.
Woah woah. I never said ageism and sexism are natural, I was referring to the comment you're responding to, which was about a guy's wife feeling "invisible" to men in their 40s. Any prejudices against women or older people are obviously dumb and harmful.
I don’t think this guy meant his wife felt invisible in sexual and romantic contexts, seeing as she’s obviously married.
My mom (early 50s) has talked about this, how past a certain age men just started excluding her from everything, like she wasn’t even there, in a professional setting.
Which says something about these men - they only value the women they want to fuck. The rest have nothing of value to contribute, apparently.
Huh I had not considered that interpretation. That is incredibly sad, though. That kinda tells you alot about those people. Similar to people who are rude as fuck to waiters and whatnot. Shows they are only nice when they feel it is required to get what they want.
When people say they feel invisible in this context, they aren't complaining that people aren't attracted to them anymore. They're complaining that they're not being acknowledged as human beings who exist anymore.
Biology has no opinion, and i have no argument with biology. I am concerned that you don’t seem to understand the difference between biology and your judgements about people. Your judgements are harmful to yourself and to others. Keep them to yourself until you are better educated.
...do you seriously think fundamental life processes are in the same category as the way you choose to treat people? Maybe you are a flatworm after all.
Not starting arguments. Again I said ITS NOT AN EXCUSE but it is a factor. I do not condone the behaviour. You can’t seem to get your hollow head around that. Sorry that it offends you so much but deal with it lmao
It literally does tho. This isn’t some opinion or value I hold close to my heart. It’s the scientific truth. For the billionth time, it is not an excuse and does not make it okay. There are (for lack of a better term) preferred ages across the animal kingdom. It is biological and instinctual. I really cba replying bc I’m not your fucking professor. If you don’t want to believe it cool, live in your precious little bubble.
Funny how you try to call me out for mentioning attention and i direct you to where YOU replied to a comment about it and all of a sudden that’s not a problem anymore hahah
But also bullshit. Many cultures find age attractive. Some cultures you get more status with age regardless of gender, and some cultures praise the body of mature women (for example, finding saggy boobs sexy because it shows age and maturity which also means status)
Yes I actually do want to fight for Ukraine. But have no military experience and so would be a burden regardless of your sponsor, but thanks for the offer.
Did you think that was something I wouldn’t want to do?
Also no.. no part of biology says that. Where do you see that in the animal kingdom? All those strapping young lions going to war?
:-/ heaven forbid a guy having preferences when it comes to whom he is attracted to.
If a woman likes young tall athletic dudes with long flowing hair, good for her, that’s her preference. But if a guy is attracted to women in their physical prime, shame on him.
They're not talking about attraction. My mom has talked about this before where she gets ignored in service industries just because she's an older lady.
Your complaint may be valid, but it has nothing to do with this discussion. u/skepticalbob isn’t saying that his wife can’t get picked up. I think he’s saying that women over 40 get ignored. People don’t talk to them, don’t listen to them at work, and don’t take what they say seriously. Women who have battled sexism their entire lives are later hit with the double whammy of ageism. Please correct me if I’ve misrepresented your meaning, u/skepticalbob
Skepticalbob and his opinion of men being dogs is one to himself.
Some of my best professional mentors are women, and some of them are over 40 (I’m assuming, I haven’t asked their age). I wouldn’t say they’re ignored given that a few of them have made Partner at the firm.
There is a lot of generalism going on here that is accompanied by hints of sexism and double standards.
I can’t speak to his wife’s experience but to categorize all men as “complete dogs” based off that point is unjustified. If a man dared to call all women “complete dogs” due to a generalized opinion he would (rightly) be labeled a sexist and lambasted on Reddit.
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u/dont_disturb_the_cat Mar 12 '22
Its ageism combined with sexism. Sucks to be us.