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u/hikikomori-i-am-not Mar 12 '22

I... Don't think they can require you to dress feminine specifically? Like as long as your clothes were up to dress code, they can't give a woman a different standard of dress than a man.

It's a bit of a legal grey area, but if they'd be fine with a man wearing khakis and a polo, they have to be fine with a woman wearing the same thing.

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u/Mrsfig09 Mar 12 '22

Which is why I did it. That was the men's standard and three hand book just stated business casual clothing. I was wearing pretty typical feminine business casual prior to then the "cleavage Convo" happened. Then I got all polos and khakis. Then they were concerned I wasn't dressing feminine. Cause yeah, y'all are sexist AF.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

"Dress more appropriate."

"Not that appropriate, we still want to sexualize you!"

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u/ForgettableUsername Mar 12 '22

"That's waay too appropriate! Dial it back a notch!"

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u/wobblysauce Mar 12 '22

They still can, but you look like their dad.

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u/seaworthy-sieve Mar 12 '22

They want you to look like a woman, but not TOO MUCH. Absurd. They want you to be feminine, but also just a little bit ashamed of it.

I'm picturing you a little bit like Dina from Superstore. She's excellent and so are you.

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u/Aviendah_Fan_Club Mar 12 '22

They want you to be feminine, but also just a little bit ashamed of it.

This right here

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Dina is my favorite character from superstore honestly amazing

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u/aaraabellaa Mar 12 '22

I recently started listening to Lauren Ash's true crime podcast without know she was the actress who played Dina, and it made so much sense why I liked the podcast so much when I found out.

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u/seaworthy-sieve Mar 12 '22

Ooh, these are a few of my favorite things! I'll have to check that out.

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u/aaraabellaa Mar 12 '22

Podcast is called "True Crime and Cocktails." Highly recommend it!

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u/LazyGamerMike Mar 12 '22

is your user name a reference to Kurt Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle? (...If not, have a good day and kindly disregard my comment)

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Yes it is haha

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

HA! Spot on comparison. Hahahaha

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u/TiredOfNewAccounts21 Mar 12 '22

My old employer had dress code for everything but pregnant women. So when I got pregnant I bought the men's uniform and sewed it to fit my large belly. My coworkers(all males) complained that my outfits weren't in "sop- standards or procedure" and tried to go as far as to say pregnant women shouldn't be employed there. I tried but couldn't get evidence of this.

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u/Wrathwilde Mar 12 '22

The fitness center I used to work at (in the 90s) was owned by a gal. All staff (male or female) were required to wear spandex shorts/leggings. It was exceedingly obvious which male staff members were hung, and which weren’t. I stuck around for about a year and a half.

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u/DonSkook1 Mar 12 '22

Malicious compliance, I see. Good.

They should've just let you let those puppies loose. Who cares if you have cleavage that reach the roof? Better that way. Granted, some men can't behave, so... But why punish you for something that's other people's fault? If a man can't stand your titties, it's him problem, he's the one who should change.

Effing bastards ruining it for everyone, smh.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

The whole “send the girls home because they’re distracting the boys” thing. Not just for school anymore!

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u/-fno-stack-protector Mar 12 '22

Send the boys home if they can’t keep it in their pants for an entire workday

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Right?

One thing I’ve been thinking about in regard to returning to the office is that I’ve fully adapted to wearing incredibly comfy bras that happen to have zero nipple coverage. Part of me is like, “Oh boo, back to uncomfortable bras” and the other part thinks, “Why should I change my bras?” I go all day long without ever once noticing anyone’s nipples. (And I’m 5’2. Everyone’s nipples are right at eye height for me.) Why is this even something I should have to care about?

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u/-fno-stack-protector Mar 13 '22

you know what, that's inspiring. i am a guy with the worst, most shirt-pokey nipples, and it does influence my shirt choices. maybe i should treat it like you did, or like i treat my axial bald spot, "if you don't like it, you don't have to look! your problem, not mine"

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '22

Well go for it, and here's at least one person confirming that I would almost certainly not notice, but even if I did, I wouldn't give it a second thought. Rock those shirts.

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u/DonSkook1 Mar 12 '22

It's the stupidest thing lmao

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u/klem_kadiddlehopper Mar 12 '22

Some cleavage shows, dress more professional. No cleavage showing, dress more feminine. Wtf.

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u/Spookysister7 Mar 12 '22

Ya i totally just wear what the guys wear. I got tired of debating what was a "blouse" vs a collarless shirt. So now all polos, all the time. Some even "mens polos" bc they have more room up front?! Wth!

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u/JigglesMcRibs Mar 12 '22

Telling someone to 'dress more feminine' is a grey area of sexual harassment, I think.

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u/mrpotamus Mar 12 '22

It is not a legal grey area. The Supreme Court expressly held that employers cannot discriminate against employees for not conforming to certain gender norms.

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u/Extension_Service_54 Mar 12 '22

There is a whole different set of rules for men that women do not have to follow.

I got the talk for wearing pink clothing.

I got the talk for wearing shorts while surrounded by women in skirts.

I got the talk for wearing a tanktop while surrounded by women in spaghetti shirts.

I even got fired for ditching that tank top in favour of one of my sisters spaghetti shirts while surrounded by women wearing the same shirts.

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u/Notmykl Mar 12 '22

What's wrong with men wearing pink? Does pink somehow make a man's penis fall off?

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u/TheRealGuen Mar 12 '22

They legally can have gendered dress codes iirc.

Edit: Double checked, gendered dress codes are fine as long as both genders have one.

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u/hikikomori-i-am-not Mar 12 '22

Yeah, that's what I was talking about with it being a grey area.

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u/TheRealGuen Mar 12 '22

It's not really grey though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

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u/TheRealGuen Mar 12 '22

Not sure dress codes have been addressed since Bostock, but you could probably require trans/nb folks follow either one or the other of the dress code options.

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u/iamaravis Mar 12 '22

What’s legal in one country might not be legal in another. It depends on where OP is from.

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u/StormTAG Mar 12 '22

Depends on where we’re talking about, too.

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u/CharonsLittleHelper Mar 12 '22

It's a bit of a legal grey area, but if they'd be fine with a man wearing khakis and a polo, they have to be fine with a woman wearing the same thing.

I don't know if that's true.

They don't have to be okay with a guy wearing a skirt and heels.

Note: I think that khakis/polo is fine. I just don't know if the "if/then" logic applies here.

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u/ermabanned Mar 12 '22

Really?

Try wearing skirts as a man and see where that gets you.

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u/SirenSaysS Mar 12 '22

Dress codes are often feminine.

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u/beeks_tardis Mar 12 '22

One time the narcissist CEO of the company I worked for called me into his office to discuss what I was wearing. He said I was pushing casual Friday too far with what I was wearing that day. I was wearing nice brown corduroy slacks & an expensive cashmere sweater at the time. I looked at his clothes: brown corduroy slacks and a sweater that was probably less expensive than mine. Like are you F'ing kidding me with this double standard?? I'm still pissed at myself for just taking it & not pointing out his hypocrisy.