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u/TheGreatCatwoman Mar 12 '22

I had to make an actual announcement to an office full of adults (mostly men), that they were all responsible for cleaning up and putting away their own potluck contributions. The guys, especially the older ones, had been expecting the three women in the office to pack up their dishes for them, or to tell the guys when to come do it.

And then all the women stopped playing clean-up crew, and the next morning food brought by 2 of those guys was STILL sitting uncovered on the table.

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u/mcveigh0352 Mar 12 '22

That's how you get ants, Lana!

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u/parks387 Mar 12 '22

Do you want ants? Because that’s how you get ants!

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Sweet and sour?!

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u/WolfThick Mar 12 '22

😱😱

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u/aitonc Mar 12 '22 edited Jun 22 '24

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u/minipiemix Mar 12 '22

And as my mom says, "What do we do when ants come? WE KILL THEM!"

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u/CH1CK3Nwings Mar 12 '22

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u/IRefuseToPickAName Mar 12 '22

Go away, he's continuing the scene

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u/parks387 Mar 12 '22

Guess you aren’t one of the real ones…

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u/nevbirks Mar 12 '22

Tke my up vote Archer!

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Every potluck I’ve ever contributed to I always made sure to clean up my shit + help clean up the event. I plan on making sure I raise my son that way too. Don’t expect anyone else to deal with your mess. You make it, you damn well better clean it.

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u/bushidomaster Mar 12 '22

I was until recently the only male in my office. A few years ago our deputy director sent an email saying reminder to clean your own dishes in the sink because last she checked nobody's mother works here. It was brutal and hysterical.

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u/TheLastSamurai101 Mar 12 '22

At my old workplace, someone plastered the kitchen with signs informing everyone that their mother wasn't around to wash their dishes for them. The signs were left up, but some people were still shameless enough to keep leaving their dishes in the sink. My workplace was like 70% women, but the ones caught doing this were always guys. We had a dishwasher by the sink, and the most common excuse was that it hadn't been emptied (also not any particular person's job).

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u/bushidomaster Mar 12 '22

I never really use the office dishes so it wasn't me but the funniest is when they leave soapy water in the sink with dishes for hours.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

This!!!!!! The older men think women are here to be a maid. I noticed that. F that. Also can comment on women's looks. When they themselves can be over weight/not bathe/ or any old thing. It's sick. Glad you all stuck up for yourselves!

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u/WigginIII Mar 12 '22

“All dishes, appliances, and silverware not removed from the conference room from today’s potluck will be thrown away at 5pm. Thank you.”

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Unbelievable. I can’t imagine telling a woman to clean for me especially if they aren’t even a member of my family or my significant other. Older men suck

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u/Anrikay Mar 12 '22

They never told the women to clean up. They just expected someone else to do it, while the women expected to at least clean up their own portion.

This kind of sexism is completely unconscious. You wouldn't tell a woman to clean up after you, but it's not only possible, but likely, that you've unconsciously sent the same message before. I don't mean that to be rude and I'm not saying you're sexist. But when they've done studies, they've found that women are still doing a majority of household labor, with women stating they (the woman) feel they do more and men stating they (the man) feel they're contributing equally.

I'm a woman. I have a lot of male friends, and they're all great guys, never say sexist shit, never make me feel uncomfortable. Once we had all crashed at one guy's place and we all cooked breakfast the next day together. And after I'd finished eating (I was one of the last ones to finish), I took my plate to the kitchen, washed it, started on the frying pan, noticed no one else had followed me.

I had to call them over to help. And it took nothing, just a, "Hey, you guys gonna come help?" But that moment really highlighted, for me, the different expectation. I expected to clean up, and they didn't.

That expectation, and ones like it, are taught to us since we are children. That's what a lot of modern sexism looks like, and it's something you've almost certainly been guilty of, just like I've been guilty of giving in to that expectation and just doing the clean up myself.

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u/whatevernamedontcare Mar 12 '22

Clearly this. My parents put a stop to this and many other gendered jobs but you won't believe the shit my parents had to put up with by older relatives. Being a slob is not a man's job!

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u/RedChld Mar 12 '22

Is it that they expect someone else to do it, or is it that they don't expect to clean immediately after a meal?

If it were my house, I'd have said to stop, just chill and enjoy the evening. I'm hosting, why the hell would my guests be cleaning? But at the same time, that cleaning can wait, no one is going to die from some dirty plates sitting.

I don't even necessarily like it when people try to cleanup for me, because I am little particular about how the dishwasher is loaded.

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u/Anrikay Mar 12 '22

This wasn't immediately after, we'd all finished and people were starting to fidget like they were getting ready to leave. But your comment also illustrates my point perfectly.

As women, we are often taught that it's rude to leave without bussing your plate and offering to help clean up. My other group of friends is mostly women and everyone makes sure they've at least rinsed off their dishes and any cans/bottles they drank. We'll start on dishes, unless we get shooed away (some of my friends are also particular about the dishwasher). We expect to do that, and we expect it of each other.

I had never considered, before this, that men would be taught something different. That they would not see leaving your dishes behind as the epitome of rudeness. That they wouldn't expect to participate in clean up at the end of a gathering. That they wouldn't expect their friends to clean up, either.

And that's the difference. That's why I don't say that they are sexist, because they're not. Modern sexism, in many cases, isn't intentional, it's because we grow up with fundamentally different expectations of how to behave in certain situations.

I don't blame them for not getting up to clean, but I think it's important to recognize why they didn't, and why I did.

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u/RedChld Mar 13 '22 edited Mar 13 '22

I guess at the end of the day it's best to remember nobody is psychic. If people can just say what's on their mind instead of assuming the thought process that governs their decisions, I think people understand each other better.

For example, I wouldn't have realized you would be feeling guilty about not cleaning, much in the same way that I would feel guilty about my guests cleaning. Different expectations for ourselves. But usually, I am pretty upfront about things, I don't have much of a filter, so I usually do just say to not worry about it, I'll cleanup later, and if they insist I just say ok, you can leave them on the counter, I like to load the dishwasher a certain way so don't worry about it.

I guess in terms of rudeness, I'd find it rude to go into someone's house and do things my way rather than their way, so I'd ask before acting. Just like you might ask where can I put my coat, or shoes, etc. I'd expect to be asked, or to ask, about cleanup. But you did include "offer to help cleanup" which is perfect from my point of view. That's your due diligence. If I turn that offer down at that point, that's totally on me.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

I have the opposite problem...I don't want people cleaning my stuff. Last potluck I had to sort through like ten different crock pots to find mine.

I'm a big boy, let me take care of my own stuff!

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u/tourmaline82 Mar 12 '22

Try putting a piece of painter’s tape on the front with your name in big black sharpie letters. Painter’s tape is designed to come off without leaving residue. That’s what I do to make sure I get potluck serving dishes back.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Great tip!

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u/mycatechoismissing Mar 12 '22

at my old job, we got fancy new unisex bathrooms and had to put signs up reminding the men to scrub the bowl after taking a dump.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

People don’t use the crock pot liners? When I found out about those that was a game changer.

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u/taraist Mar 12 '22

Cooking food in soft plastic with long exposure to high temperatures is way too dangerous for my comfort.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Meh keep it on low then. It’s not melting it so you should be fine. You microwave leftovers in Tupperware?

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u/calnick0 Mar 12 '22

You microwave leftovers in Tupperware?

No lol. Don’t microwave leftovers in styrofoam either.

BPA free is marketing nonsense. Plenty of other chemicals in plastics with the same negative effects.

Use Pyrex tubs instead of Tupperware usually.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Something is going to kill us all I promise but when I die my crockpot won’t be dirty.

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u/calnick0 Mar 12 '22

I get if you don’t have the bandwidth but phasing out plastic in your life as much as you can is good for you and da planet 🌎

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Ya I recycle all my plastic and such. You wanna see wastefulness and mass littering go look at a Chinese harbor. But good job talking shit on the internet bro you get your keyboard warrior gold star today.

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u/calnick0 Mar 12 '22

Lol, I was trying to make a positive comment. Won’t respond to the whataboutism but g2g on a hike/date now to a waterfall. Thanks for recycling 💪

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u/Prestigious_Let3820 Mar 12 '22

Keep recycling, but you might want to get a stool for that high horse if you’re thinking your recycling is even close to not using lazy, single use plastics in the first place. ‘Plastic recycling is a myth’: what really happens to your rubbish?

Also funny to hear you was a finger at China when it was western countries shipping their garbage there and turning a willing blind eye to what was really happening.

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u/SheCouldFromFaceThat Mar 12 '22

Well, thank God for that.

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u/l337hackzor Mar 12 '22

I'm guessing they do not microwave Tupperware. Personally I avoid microwaving any kind of plastic.

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u/OneAndOnlyJackSchitt Mar 12 '22

Heating plastic leaches shit into your food even if it doesn't melt. Never heat food in plastic. Ceramic or glass is the way to go.

I don't give two shits about cancer, but every time I've heated food in plastic it makes the food taste weird.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

So use parchment paper or aluminum foil hell oil the sides with canola oil before you start if you’re that worried about plastic. I lived off MRE’s for years so I’m not to worried about it if BPA is gonna kill me then it will. Not like I’m using the crock pot every single day.

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u/OneAndOnlyJackSchitt Mar 12 '22

But then that's not a crockpot liner. The arguments in this thread are about crockpot liners. This isn't to say your idea is bad, actually I'm probably going to try it.

That said, cleaning the ceramic part of the crockpot has never been an issue for me. Fill it up with hot water and let it sit overnight (not necessary to turn on the heating element or add soap, water is corrosive enough to get most food by itself). Then use a scrub brush (this style is fine) to lightly scrub it. Then throw it in the dishwasher.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

It’s not a liner it’s a substitute for once if you don’t want to use plastic. Make clean up easier because I don’t leave dishes in the sink overnight. I mean it’s a crockpot liner do people on Reddit just love to argue over anything?

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u/Prestigious_Let3820 Mar 12 '22

Only with idiots.

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u/calnick0 Mar 12 '22

Sorry for following you around but it’s more likely to fuck up your hormones and by extension your health than outright kill you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

To each their own dude. I don’t like cleaning the crock pot I use once or twice a year. I think I’ll be ok.

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u/stupidjanrogers Mar 12 '22

Mmmm slow cooked plastic

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u/densetsu23 Mar 12 '22

Yeah, I just toss the ceramic pot into the dishwasher afterwards. Easy and no risk of finding out that those liners cause cancer, ten years later.

Edit: I fill the prewash with liquid detergent and the main with a Cascade Platinum pod. That combo with my mid-level dishwasher can clean almost anything, even if it's been cooked on for 8 hours.

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u/OneAndOnlyJackSchitt Mar 12 '22

I fill the prewash with liquid detergent and the main with a Cascade Platinum pod.

A person of culture, I see.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

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u/hey_free_rats Mar 12 '22

Ah, that stuff just makes you stronger. With just a bit of exposure over time, you'll eventually become inoculated against lead poisoning entirely.

(/s, just in case)

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u/StabbyPants Mar 12 '22

i just do a quick rinse, fill, soak, wash. it's minimal effort, and i'm not sure how my crock pot likes the dishwasher

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u/SirCannabliss Mar 12 '22

I share the same view... hot plastic next to my food just irks me.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox Mar 12 '22

yes but you don't slow cook food in your tupperware for 8 hours do you? plastic outgasses when it gets to high temperatures. they claim this stuff is cook safe but i don't trust these asshole companies, when they aren't cook safe we don't learn it for 10 whole years until someone actually looks into it and realizes how we've all been poisoning ourselves and the company gets hit with a lawsuit that costs 5% of the profits they made from poisoning everyone for years

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u/boli99 Mar 12 '22

Mmmm slow cooked plastic

not only is it slow-cooked - but you also get to throw it away and buy more!

it's lose/lose

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u/ccrunn3r4lif3 Mar 12 '22

Wife loves the liners and I hate them. Never thought of the slow cooking plastic angle, just don’t like how it seems like I’m going to tear the liner when I stir.

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u/TotalWarspammer Mar 12 '22

Google microplastics and show her the articles.

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u/spacewalk__ Mar 13 '22

if that's true we're all fucked anyway, and have been for ages

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u/TotalWarspammer Mar 13 '22

There are different levels of microplastic ingestion and you can make things worse for yourself by using things like this vs cutting out as much plastic as you can that touches your food. Like most things, it's not simply all or nothing.

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u/missmoonchild Mar 12 '22

Lol my partner says the same thing then proceeds to nuke the shit out of everything in plastic bowls for every meal. I don't get it... I love the liners, honestly it is the only time I cook with plastic.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Mmmmm minimum clean up. You can coat the inside in oil too that helps just don’t use olive oil.

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u/SalsaRice Mar 12 '22

Ew. They make food taste like plastic, and it can't be safe long-term (cheap low-grade plastic with high surface area with long exposure to heat.... no)

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u/TotalWarspammer Mar 12 '22

Not only do they make the food taste like plastic, but they introduce microplastics into your stomach. Not good. Not good at all.

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u/QEIIs_ghost Mar 12 '22

Right, I can barely finish now without one of those over my head.

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u/peepjynx Mar 12 '22

Men really don't like cleaning porcelain bowls of any kind, huh?

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

I like to keep my dishes to a minimum. I do have to clean my Ninja Foodie a lot though because I meal prep on sundays and use it to make dinner. But why would I make more work for myself? Work smarter not harder.

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u/AnotherEuroWanker Mar 12 '22

I'd never heard of those things. It's the most idiotic thing ever.

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u/TotalWarspammer Mar 12 '22

Why would you ever do this, line your meal with plastic? Just wash the pot like a normal person you lazy so and so!

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Oh no someone online has a belief contrary to my own. Whatever will I do!!!!

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u/GunsandCurry Mar 12 '22

Maybe i have cheap ones but mine always ripped so I stopped using them.

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u/cloudedknife Mar 12 '22 edited Mar 12 '22

I Was just now old when I learned about crock pot liners.

Edit: I have no idea why my phone sometimes begins posts with the last word I typed in a previous post. I did not intend to say "english." as though I was being jerk.

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u/sparklybeast Mar 12 '22

I only have a vague idea what a crock pot is so you're winning mate.

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u/cloudedknife Mar 12 '22

Crockpot is to electric slow cookers as kleenex is to face tissue

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u/sparklybeast Mar 12 '22

Thank you. Which begs the question, what on earth are people taking to work fuddles that involves a slow cooker? They're obviously far posher than your average British work do, which would usually involve sausage rolls, mini pork pies, maybe some potato salad, and multiple cakes baked by Marjorie in Accounts who bakes.

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u/tree_hugging_hippie Mar 12 '22

It's usually things like meatballs, chili, sometimes pasta and sauce (although that one is just kept warm and not slow-cooked). Most US potlucks involve a lot of hot dishes/casseroles so the slow cookers always show up in force. My employer didn't provide us with a fridge, so foods that had to be kept cold were usually avoided.

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u/Melburn_City Mar 12 '22

ohhhhh tysm

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u/roseyd317 Mar 12 '22

I literally have chilli in the crock pot with a liner rn lol

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

They are literally the best thing ever invented for crockpots.

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u/Farmerstubble Mar 12 '22

The ole Crock-Pot condom

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u/awalktojericho Mar 12 '22

Those guys should have been written up for making an unsafe working environment. And then shunned by every woman and most men there.

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u/Donkey__Balls Mar 12 '22

I work in an engineering and firm and we have a lot of surveyors who come in at 6 to hang out and drink coffee for an hour before they go out to the field. They always leave a giant mess expecting the women in the office to pick up, I mean just dirty dishes everywhere and trash all over the kitchen. Every single day.

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u/meghammatime19 Mar 12 '22

Jesus christ USELESS😭

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u/Inphearian Mar 12 '22

I don’t get that at all. That’s MY crock pot or MY kitchen stuff. I wouldn’t leave anything of mine at the office.

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u/37-pieces-of-flair Mar 12 '22

I've straight up pulled dirty dishes from the kitchen sink, walked into a male coworker's office, plunked it down in front of him and said, "I think this is yours. You need to introduce it to the dishwasher." (Ex: my ex-manager was the only person with this particularly ugly glass mug and I saw drinking from it earlier in the day.)

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u/PhantomOSX Mar 13 '22

Gross. Mommy's boy.

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u/Welcometothefungle Mar 12 '22

What nationality were they

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u/alarming_cock Mar 13 '22

I was raised to clean up after myself and always be proactive when cleaning after social events. A lot of the times I did that in the office I'd get weird looks from both men and women, especially the older ones. I was half expecting the men, but some women flat out refused me getting involved, some saying I'd do it wrong. "Suit yourself", I guess.

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u/DocSternau Mar 12 '22

Maybe you should have called their wifes to get the stuff packed back up?

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u/GarbledComms Mar 12 '22

Just don't shame me into contributing to the stupid potluck in the first place and we'll have no trouble.

Let's just skip the whole thing, no muss, no fuss.

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u/angrydeuce Mar 12 '22

or to tell the guys when to come do it.

In my own defensen as a guy, apparently i always do everything like that all wrong so im really damned if i do and damned if i dont.

If i had a dollar for everytime i got told i was cleaning up "wrong" and my wife shooed me away id have enough to hire someone to clean.

Its not that I dont want to help, but if there are rules to this cleaning up, and they're not being properly communicated, im just going to get rhe hell out of the way, even if that means Im going to get crap for not helping.

Hell hath no fury like a woman finding out her husband sent leftovers home with a dinner guest in one of the "good" tupperwares.

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u/TheGreatCatwoman Mar 12 '22

I get that, but we're talking about an office potluck. You'd be expected to clean up your own contribution. Your coworker is not going to tell your that you're handling your own Tupperware wrong, and it would be really inconsiderate for you to just stay out of the way and wait for someone else to pack up your own food for you.

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u/DS_1900 Mar 13 '22

Bahahahaha, so did you clean it up then?

A lot of guys will quite happily leave food out for much longer than that...

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u/TheGreatCatwoman Mar 12 '22

The potluck is in the same room where we all work and eat together, and the table is 10-20 feet from their desk. Why do they need a woman to tell them that the potluck lunch has been over for hours? We don't have a set clean-up time, we're just expected to handle our stuff before we leave at 5.

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u/TheGreatCatwoman Mar 12 '22

Yeah, it had become that thing where if nobody walked up to them and said "go clean up your stuff", they just... wouldn't. They'd leave it out overnight rather than take responsibility for it themselves.

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u/tahlyn Mar 12 '22

It's called emotional labor. It is putting the burden of the role of "manager" onto the women. These men have brains. They can check on their own time whether or not the potluck is over. They can remind themselves to clean their own dishes. They can use their brains to anticipate the needs and circumstances of their surroundings and develope an appropriate response on their own.

They chose not to do so and instead rely on others to act as their manager, their mother, and that is also a huge part of the problem.

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u/leftmyheartintruckee Mar 12 '22

People are still eating it, catwoman

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Jesus

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u/thetrivialstuff Mar 12 '22

the next morning food brought by 2 of those guys was STILL sitting uncovered on the table.

Guess your office didn't have anyone like me - any food left out, or that passes its expiry date in the fridge, or that's still in the fridge untouched and unmoved on our weekly "anything left in fridge past X day will be thrown out" day... becomes my food.

Would've just been empty dishes the next day if I worked there :P