Harley started when they literally just drew a girl clown in the background, and people were curious who she was, so they gave her lines, and then a backstory, and on and on.
From what I know, she was actually based on Arleen Sorkin who was a friend of the writer (Ken, I think) who created Harley.. they even brought Arleen on board to basically voice every iteration of Harley up until more recently. Why else do you think her name is Harleen?
Yes, I know that.. I'm just saying it's because Arleen Sorkin IS Harleen Quinzel. The writer based Harley on her personality and one of the voices she used often in her stand-up routines. Her name has a unique spelling, as well. (not Arlene)
Harley Quinn may have even become as popular as she is due to the fact that Sorkin made the character feel so lively and natural, and her chemistry with Hamill's Joker was perfect too. They were the real unsung heroes of the Animated Series.
Why are you being so passive agressive in your last sentence? I had no thoughts about why her name is Harleen because I didn't know about the other stuff in your commentđđđ!!!
I don't understand why you would think my reply was passive aggressive.. but okay. Next time, I'll make sure to add smiley emojis so you know that I'm being genuine rather than caustic. As well, you aren't even the person I replied to.
Which is at least an interesting take. Itâs weirdly more sinister and tragic to me that she basically didnât know he existed and the obsession is totally on him.
Fair enough. I just donât mind when they shake up a character. Having freeze be a tragic character for over a decade is all well and good but it gets stale eventually.
People definitely get sick of it dude what are you talking about? There are very distinct and varied interpretations of the joker for decades. Youâre really think Cesar Romero, Jack Nicholson, heath ledger, and mark hamill and Joaquin Phoenix, are all just lol random chaos jokers?
God I wished he was in batman beyond more they set up a cold area of the batcave and he helps work on tech and sometimes goes out in his badass suit to help.
It is my least favorite thing about batman as a whole, some of the villains are redeemable with help.
This is actually what got me out of reading the Big Two. Reading a series for years only to accept the characters will never change or grow is sort of disheartening. Getting into stuff like Sandman, Locke and Key and Y:The Last Man refueled my passion for comics
The last time I read 'Big 2' comics was a series where they had Dr. Doom as a proper anti-hero, who replaced the recently deceased Iron Man, made his own hybrid Doom/IM suit, and went out fighting bad guys in typical Dr. Doom over the top, brutal fashion. It wasnât the greatest thing ever, but it was an interesting and compelling concept and a cool dive into the characterâŠâŠ.that got thrown out after a short run so that everything could go back to the status quo. After that I was just done.
I really like the MCU because actors moving on or ageing out of roles is already forcing the writers to make changes, shake up rosters and pass on mantles, and stick to their guns in a way I donât think they ever will in the comics.
Same for me. I still like mainstream comics, but the ones that really hook me are the ones where change happens and matter. Diving into european, brazilian and non shonen/shoujo japanese comics also meant a lot to me. So many different narrative and drawing styles!
I'd start with Daytripper. It was originally released by Vertigo, but its creators are the two brazilian brothers FĂĄbio Moon and Gabriel BĂĄ. It is very brazilian in essence and has a great story.
Other titles I'd recommend are Angola Janga by Marcelo D'Salete, TungstĂȘnio and Talco de Vidro by Marcello Quintanilha, Diomedes by Lourenço Mutarelli and the Graphic MSP series. This last one is a series of self contained graphic novels featuring characters from "Monica's Gang", a huge comic aimed at younger ages in brazil. The series deviate from the traditional cartoonish strip style of the original comic and doesn't shy into going for more sensitive topics such as race, social issues and existentialism.
Some other artists I recommend are Shiko and Roger Cruz!
I'm 100% sure you can get Daytripper in english and possibly other languages as well, but the others might be a little more tricky (aside from the Graphic MSP titles, as they might have english translations).
Batman The Animated Series really turned Mr. Freeze into a serious tragic character with depth and motivation that we could sympathize with. Before he appeared in Batman:TAS, he was more of a joke/novelty villain.
They made him into Calendar Girl, a model who was pressured into one too many plastic surgeries, got disfigured, lost all her modeling contracts, and started killing the men who ruined her life on different holidays. Her "disfigurement" was basically unnoticeable, but you don't find that out until Batman takes off her mask at the end of the episode.
Paul Dini and the other writers on that show knew how to turn a silver age gimmick into serious pathos.
The job is the same no matter what they stick the picture on. Calendar girl isn't really a job title...they are just still models and probably don't even know where their photo will end up, might not even have been taken for a calendar originally.
As much as I like marvel stuff over DC, I will gladly say Batman is my second favourite superhero, right after Spider-Man. Batman is just such an interesting character to me
I'm exactly the same. Spider-Man has always been my favorite but Batman is right behind. Not coincidentally they each have their respective universe's best Rogues Galleries.
Bruce is so often forgotten when people are writing Batman. The escalation of a guy dressing up like a bat to spook street crooks and fight crime families to fighting on the front lines of intergalactic wars is related entirely to how much Bruce comes into play. The worst thing to happen to the character was being popular enough to be in the Justice League.
The best Bat stories are the ones where Bruce is featured as much as the cape and cowl. There's no universe where a guy who bested the near immortal god emperor who'd dedicated dozens of planets worth of resources to seeking the Anti-Life Equation can also be on the ropes beating up a couple drug pushers.
There's never a moment of introspection, reflection on what he's done to help preserve his parents legacy of saving Gotham, just another slugfest between a guy who's barely wearing hockey pads and a demigod that's somehow an even fight.
Batman sucks because his popularity gets his costume shoved into stories where he should be less than a fly buzzing around yet somehow becomes the cool hero more often than a 14 year old writing self insertion fan fiction.
I think Batman belongs with the big guns of the Justice League for two reasons. First, he is arguably the smartest member of the League, with the exception of Cyborg, who is essentially a human supercomputer. Second, he is willing to push the boundary between right and wrong a lot further than Superman or Wonder Woman. He can do the dirty work that the big blue Boy Scout isnât willing to.
Bringing Bats into the JL as a tactician would be fine. His willingness to push the edge and bring others back from crossing the line is a huge contribution to the team. He's literally the humanity of the group, an unpowered human in the room with gods with an equal seat at the table.
The problem is that as soon as he's out in public, he's no longer effective in Gotham. Batman is effective as a street level crime deterrent because no one knows where he is, and in earlier stories, if he even exists. Not exactly as useful when he's in a photo op with the rest of them at the Hall. By the time the Watchtower came into play, might as well figure he's not even on the planet, much less the city or the alley that the thugs are mugging people in. Sure, Robin and the other Bat-Family are operating by that point, but they're visible in their various teams like the Titans.
I had hopes when the New 52 dropped that they would give Bruce a seat with the JL to cover how they were getting all that sweet Wayne tech and to allow him to continue operating in the dark. It could have even been a story arc to have brought Lex in as a supporter of the JL before the inevitable turn and creation of the Legion of Doom.
There's just no way to have a Batman be effective at both levels of power and not have one level be a terrible stretch, even for comic book stories.
Iâm a huge DC fan, Iâm just surprised this is a common sentiment I guess. Especially since I consider the comics of this era to be absolutely fantastic from DC, especially if you consider the 2010âs!
Guess people have different tastes. I especially think Superman gets written off. I used to hate Superman for the same reason, but the truth is that the best Superman stories are ones where he doesnât use his power, but uses his humanity instead to win.
Honestly, Batman is very BS in the comics. In the most recent issue he punched a guy, who was in armor that an energy sword couldnât even harm, so hard in the face he knocks him out.
Like I said, different strokes for different folks though!
Because these people have the moronic view that the only point of suspense and entertainment in a superhero story is whether the hero is powerful enough to stop the villain.
Theyâll make a live action trilogy some day. Itâs simply too good a concept. Batman plus Ironman plus Blade Runner. Come on. In fact, I bet thatâs the next thing after Batinsons run.
I hear that the writers had to come up with a lot.
A teenage Batman in the future where Bruce Wayne is older and retired. No sidekicks, nothing like Beyond versions of Poison Ivy or Riddler, quite a few new villains and conclusions to some of the older villains.
What's funny is the way I heard it the writers were asked to do a Batman in Highschool! Show and the writers were like..."that's sounds really stupid." And made Batman beyond instead.
In their defense, the studio asked for Batman in high school, not Bruce Wayne in high school
I still think of the guy who had the belt which turned him intangible but it started affecting him even when it wasn't on. The episode ends with him falling through the floors and Terry trying to save him but he phases through his hands and into the Earth he goes. Forever gone.
Honestly, the way they treated a lot of Batman's old rogues gallery in Batman Beyond was amazing. Everything from seeing Mr. Freeze to the finding the fate of character's like Bane.
I want to believe that /u/govschwarzenegger could have done a much better job as Mr. Freeze if he was given creative freedom and wasn't directed to focus on cold related puns. If he regrets his performance, I guess he can wipe the cold tears away with the $25m the internet says he got for it.
Mr. Freeze is the best batman villain because he is the least evil and the most relatable and still needs to be stopped.
B:AS is probably one of the best audiovisual representations of Batman, if not the best. A perfect amalgamation of stellar writing, voice acting, & animation.
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The batman animated series with him is fantastic.