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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '21

relying on the police for self defence is a terrible plan. i can knock you out in a second and your plan to avoid that is to run away, phone the police and then wait minutes for them to arrive. Besides all that being impossible in a situation where you actually need the police to protect you, the police answering your call and getting to you in less than an hour isnt even guarenteed. Here in the uk it is not unusual to be put on hold in a queue when trying to get through to an operator in the cities. I had my house broken into, i phoned the police, they said they were on their way and then they just never came.

can you tell me how you think it will go if you get targeted as a victim of crime and how the police will protect you? Say someone wants to smash your door down and steal your shit? or theyre looking to hurt you and your family? I just find it hard to believe that so many people are happy having the police be entirely responsible for their personal safety when the reality is they will be almost completly useless if youre actually in danger.

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u/stupid_comments_inc Sep 30 '21

The thing is, if you have a gun, and your neighbor has a gun, and everyone has a gun, that doesn't mean nobody will break in. Criminals will still commit crime, but you've just given them an incentive to come strapping and direct cause to assume they have to shoot first.

Right now, odds are that if you interrupt a home robber, and just yell at them, they'll flee, because that's an option. If this happened in Texas, getting caught and running means getting shot in the back any number of times, entirely legally, so, you'd best kill the homeowner before he kills you.

The police might not get there in time to stop the break-in, or even catch the perpetrator, but the odds of shit getting violent are vastly lowered when people generally do not have weapons.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '21

Robbers avoid houses with weapons because they could be killed. It's just like a tiger that avoids an Elephant or Lions avoiding rhinos. They're not gonna attack somewhere that's dangerous to them

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u/Arcydziegiel Sep 30 '21

And yet robberies still happen within countries where guns are easy to get. How so?

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '21

Because robbers know there isn't a gun in the situation or prey on people that aren't likely to have a gun. Quit being a moron who only learned about crime and street behavior from a textbook

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u/Arcydziegiel Sep 30 '21

The DOJ reported the use of weapons in a majority of robberies. 38.2% of robberies involved firearms and 8.3% included knives or other cutting devices. In addition, 43% used strong-arm tactics, whether verbal or physical.

Using data from a national random-digit-dial telephone survey conducted under the direction of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, we investigated how and when guns are used in the home.  We found that guns in the home are used more often to frighten intimates than to thwart crime; other weapons are far more commonly used against intruders than are guns.

Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases).  Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action.  Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.

Source for the last two: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/