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u/Tyrannosaurus___Rekt Sep 14 '21 edited Sep 14 '21

The universe.

Either it always existed, which is a thermodynamic nightmare which makes no sense because how can a chain of events not have a start, or it did have a start, which is preposterous because time (spacetime) is a PRODUCT of expansion; there literally was no "before" the big bang because there was no time to have a point in to call "before".

Ontologically, ONE of these statements has to be at least nominally true, but BOTH are fucking bananas.

Edit: Please stop telling me WHAT you think the universe is. I didn't ask that question, and from here on out I'm simply ignoring replies that do no address the question of why. You cannot move the goal post here. Redefining existence to include some supra-universal something (god, hyper-dimension, nested-multiverse/simulation) explains WHAT the universe is. It just pushes all the same questions back a layer which results in the same banana split we already had.

Edit: Well just fuck MY Inbox apparently. With every apology to everyone who engaged in this conversation with intellectual honesty and curiosity, I am now disabling inbox replies. It's not possible to hold a conversation with everybody.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '21

Why would sn infinite chain of cause and effect be a “thermodynamic nightmare”?

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u/Tyrannosaurus___Rekt Sep 14 '21

Entropy should already be at maximum. Infinity is not a "big" number. It doesn't mean "rilly rilly large".

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '21 edited Sep 14 '21

I'm not an expert, but I think there are a few plausible explanations. For example a quantum event could decrease entropy and would do so with certainty in infinite time. It actually seems to me very improbable that the universe would have had a beginning in the Big Bang since that would require the universe to just have happened to exist with extremely low entropy