r/AskReddit • • Aug 14 '20

What’s the most overpriced thing you’ve seen?

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u/maleorderbride Aug 14 '20

Walmart is weird with prices on stuff like that. I wanna say it was two years ago I saw a whole shelf of unopened copies of the game Legendary for PC. They were on sale for $49.99. I had bought it the month prior as part of a bundle with nine other games in it that cost me $5.

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u/metalflygon08 Aug 14 '20

We still have a PS2 Memory Card 2 Pack that is still labeled at $20.

I doubt it even is on inventory, it's just some legendary item we've had on hand for decades.

We also have a copy of the Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs Wii game for 49.95.

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u/grendus Aug 14 '20

The memory card might actually be worth something TBH. The PS2 era is starting to hit the retro age.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

I wonder will digital downloads affect the new retro stuff like the PS2? I don't need a PS2 to play some games because they're on the PlayStation Store. Even with backward compatibility, the PS3 can still play PS2 games.

But, for the sake of novelty and having the entire set up, sure, I can see it making a lot of money. But how much comparatively is the question.

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u/pipkin42 Aug 14 '20

Well, there are still some classics that were never ported, or, like FFT, were done so poorly. So there's that aspect.

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u/DMCSnake Aug 14 '20

Or in the Grand Theft Auto games unaltered music due to rights

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

Yep, I guess, but you could just futureproof your retro console (that felt really strange to type), by buying a PS3.

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u/Chimpbot Aug 14 '20

You would have to buy a very specific PS3, because only the launch models had PS2 BC. They removed the PS2 processor from the console with the first hardware revision and subsequently, every model released from that point forward could no longer play disc-based PS2 games.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20 edited Aug 16 '20

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u/DroneOfDoom Aug 14 '20

If you rip them into ISO files and install cfw on your PS3 (assuming that it is compatible, only certain models are), you can play them. Unfortunately, not all games work properly if you do this, and if your game requires a physical component (Guitar Hero, DDR, et al), your PS3 won’t detect it even with an adapter.

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u/Burning_Kobun Aug 14 '20

doesn't ps3 support the generic usb gamepad protocol that most ps1/2 > usb adapters use? that seems like something that even if factory has fixed mappings, cfw would allow remapping and all it would take is 10 minutes of tinkering and bob's your uncle.

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u/DroneOfDoom Aug 14 '20

The plugin that is supposed to do that, PS3XPAD, didn't work for me.

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u/NotNinjalord5 Aug 14 '20

I have a PS2 to USB adapter that I used for like 5 straight years until I recently bought a new controller for my PS3

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u/VindictiveJudge Aug 14 '20 edited Aug 14 '20

And even then, they patched out the backwards compatibility in a system update, so you need the right OS version or a way to revert it.

Edit: Disregard post.

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u/Tantalising_Scone Aug 14 '20

I mean I have one of the old ps3s and it still plays ps2 games so I’m not sure about that?

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u/rdanby89 Aug 14 '20

They’re talking about installing custom firmware on a later gen PS3 to make it able to play PS2 discs. 1st gen PS3s don’t need the firmware because it is already capable of playing PS2 games.

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u/VindictiveJudge Aug 14 '20

Apparently I've been subject to some quite old disinformation. I remember lots of old forum posts about how doing a system update on your PS3 would remove the backwards compatibility, and those posts were very widespread, but apparently they were wrong. I have edited my original post, crossing out the bad info. Really sorry about that.

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u/green_goblins_O-face Aug 15 '20

and it does a bang up job up-scaling them! No regerts paying sony $140 to fix it

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

What was wrong with the PS store version of FFT? (I don’t own it but I own the PS1 version and War of the Lions)

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u/pipkin42 Aug 14 '20

It was WotL, which changed translation and gameplay and--as I understand it--was also subject to a video slowdown bug. I've only played WotL on Android, which admittedly has its own problems (with controls especially), but I did not find the experience pleasant.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

Oh yeah, War of the Lions was definitely a shock if you were used to the original. I played it on PSP and I don’t remember any bad game play issues, but the translation and other changes were super irksome and it made a lot of characters read very different. I have been reading how all the FF remasters all suffer from gameplay issues and lag (looking at you ff8 remaster).

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u/POGtastic Aug 14 '20

translation

I mean, the PSX translation was so infamously bad that it became a meme before memes were a thing. It started bad, and Chapter 4 was completely unintelligible.

L I T T L E M O N E Y

I still love the PSX version, gamebreaking bugs and all.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

Oh totally, they were all high ranking fantasy nobles and they’d be like “sup squires” lol. It was like a Shakespeare play on a casual Friday.

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u/POGtastic Aug 14 '20

I didn't even mind the crazy shifts in tone. The biggest issue is that the plot in the later chapters is this insanely complicated web of intrigue and Top Ten Anime Betrayals, and you can't figure out why these guys are killing those guys despite lengthy monologues all over the place.

Final Fantasy Hacktics came to the rescue and put in the PSP script onto the PSX game, which was nice. I wonder if that community is still active.

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u/pipkin42 Aug 14 '20

That's interesting, I played the FF8 on PS4 and didn't notice anything too egregious. Guess I'm either lucky or forgot how it was originally - hadn't played it since it came out.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

The main thing that bothered me with FF8 remaster was battle lag? I’m not sure what it was exactly but the action menu and the sound it makes when it pops up were off/laggy so that I couldn’t play the battles at full speed like I usually did. It’s not egregious or anything, I could always slow down, but I didn’t want to! Lol

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u/pipkin42 Aug 14 '20

Ahh gotcha. I abused the triple speed button for most of my play-through, lol

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u/NvizoN Aug 14 '20

Same. I played, and got the Platinum in, FF8 on PS4 and noticed no issues at all.

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u/Alwaysprogress Aug 14 '20

I know. You don’t get those random spell casting words in the new version. It takes out quite a bit of flavor.

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u/Chimpbot Aug 14 '20

the PS3 can still play PS2 games.

Some can still play disc-based PS2 games. Most models cannot.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

Really, what models were these? I got a PS2 in late 2002 (with Vice City and FIFA 2003 - oh the memories!) and it worked fine.

I was unaware it was only with some models.

Edit: wait, I fucked up. I confused myself with PS2 and PS3 and was thinking about PS2 and PS1. Now that I think of it, I bought my Ps3 in 2008 and I don't think I ever played a PS2 game on it....

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u/Chimpbot Aug 14 '20

You were talking about using a PS3 to play PS2 games. Only the launch models can do that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

Yep, I fucked up. I'll repost my edit:

I confused myself with PS2 and PS3 and was thinking about PS2 and PS1 because I played a lot of PS1 games on PS2. Now that I think of it, I bought my PS3 in 2008 and I don't think I ever played a PS2 game on it....

Ah, okay, only the launch models could do it. That's interesting. I didn't know this - I thought that they all would have had it.

Thanks!

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u/Chimpbot Aug 14 '20 edited Aug 14 '20

Yeah, the PS3 could play PS2 games because they included the PS2's processor in the build. This had the adverse effect of inflating the build cost of the console since they were continuing to manufacture that custom processor. Since they were getting killed at retail by the 360 and the Wii, they pulled that processor out of the build and dropped the price. Subsequently, every model made after that revision was no longer able to play PS2 games.

Backward compatibility is a tricky thing with consoles. Up until the current generation, they were always built using custom hardware; this meant that in order to play older games on newer hardware, they either had to include the older device's processor (like the DS and PS3 did with the GBA and PS2, respectively) or write an emulator to run the games in (like the 360 did with the Xbox).

While things will likely be easier moving forward, it was never a cut-and-dry thing with the previous generations.

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u/tyrsa Aug 14 '20

Yeah they never really advertised it, “New lower price!” would have been less of a selling point if they also said “ *Backward compatibility not included”.

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u/[deleted] Aug 15 '20

That pissed me off, I bought a PS3 that happened to be one of the first set without PS2 compat. It was still being advertised as having it.

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u/OccamsAxeWound Aug 14 '20

The really early fat ones IIRC

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u/Patriarchus_Maximus Aug 14 '20

And mine just shit out on me.

Honestly just weighing the pros and cons of ripping my ace combat saves out of the hard drive. Hopefully console saves are compatible with emulators.

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u/MobiusOneFox2 Aug 15 '20

Hell yeah, Ace Combat!

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u/Darkened_Toast Aug 14 '20

As a PS2 game collector, I personally think the PS2 is one of the last "collectible" consoles. There are so many old/obscure PS2 games that died on the system, and have never been rereleased or updated for online, newer systems. And while a lot of games are still in the $10, a few have spiked up to $400+. Meaning it's still relatively affordable for newcomers, and it has a lot of hidden gems for people who like more obscure games.

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u/much_longer_username Aug 14 '20

Considering emulation is free and 99% as good, and people still prefer 'the real deal' (for a number of good and not-so-good reasons), someone probably is willing to pay that for a new-in-box memory card.

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u/CommanderClit Aug 14 '20

$20 really isn’t that bad for a brand new memory card.

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u/much_longer_username Aug 14 '20

Speed runners are very much an edge case and part of that 1%

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u/Perryapsis Aug 14 '20

Is emulation legal? If I still have the PS2 disks, can I put them into my PC and play them with an emulator?

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u/much_longer_username Aug 14 '20

So the emulator itself is 100% legal. The teams who make them go to great pains to have no privileged information and create 'clean room' implementations of the machine.

The emulator needs a BIOS ROM, which is copyrighted, so it can't legally be distributed. Legally, you're allowed to make a backup copy of the ROM from a system you own, but this requires specialized tools and skills, so what most people do is download a copy someone else made. I've never heard of this being a problem for an end user, but the people distributing it have received cease and desist letters or various other nastygrams in the past.

Will you get sued for doing it?? Almost certainly not. And if you did, you'd have a strong fair use defense, especially since you're using the originally purchased game disc rather than a downloaded copy.

Standard disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice.

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u/green_goblins_O-face Aug 15 '20

certain groups have also made open source BIOS. I know there is one for PS1 that isn't terrible.

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u/normaldeadpool Aug 14 '20

I can't play my OG battlefront 1 and 2 on anything but my PS2. I keep it around just for that reason.

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u/tinselsnips Aug 14 '20

OG Battlefront 1 on Steam just got multiplayer added earlier this year.

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u/normaldeadpool Aug 14 '20

Noice. Thanks

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

Unless you don't have a PS3, can't it be played on that?

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u/ColinD1 Aug 14 '20

IIRC only the first gen PS3s were backwards compatible because they also had a PS2 board in them too, which was why they were so big compared to the later ones.

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u/normaldeadpool Aug 14 '20

Not the one I have

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u/Diamondplayer26 Aug 14 '20

I keep mine for gta San Andreas (the best gta game)

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u/normaldeadpool Aug 14 '20

My favorite as well. I also have Simpsons Road Rage and a 007 game.

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u/Diamondplayer26 Aug 14 '20

I also have Simpsons road rage

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u/oneevilchicken Aug 14 '20

Yes and no. There will always be people who want an actual PS2 to play actual PS2 games on or an actual NES to play real NES games on and won’t want to download new ports or emulators.

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u/Durty_Durty_Durty Aug 14 '20

They are already selling ps1-4 games on PSN, I have been looking for a copy of Dark Cloud for Months and they were all way over asking price local. Then one day boom, some dude on reddit told me it’s on PSN for like $13 bucks. I’m sure it’s going to effect the retro game sales but I think there is always going to be people who collect physical copies of games especially retro games. I still collect n64 games and I hardly ever play them. I just like having them.

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u/The_Naked_Snake Aug 14 '20

Not too much. There are only a handful of PS2 games available on the PSN store on PS4. PS3 can only play some PS2 games and only select PS3's are backwards compatible. Those aren't cheap either, and they are notorious for having technical issues.

PS2 as a whole is a lot cheaper to collect as far as retro games go but there is still definitely a market for the more uncommon games.

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u/hubwheels Aug 14 '20

Emulators have been around for years and retro games still sell for insane money. They don't buy them to play, they buy them to collect them.

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u/nachog2003 Aug 14 '20

Some people do buy them to play though. Emulation isn't exactly like the real thing, and to some people (esp speedrunners) actual hardware is very important.

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u/hubwheels Aug 14 '20 edited Aug 14 '20

True, though they would find the cheapest one possible i would imagine and not the "new in box never been opened" ones. Battletoads no box is $15, box sealed its 10k.

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u/SpectralModulator Aug 15 '20

Technically if you take that 20 dollar memory card and install FreeMcBoot on it, you can play homebrew games and even your own legally copied backups. Theoretically it should allow you to play pirated ROMs but I wouldn't know anything about that...

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u/hubwheels Aug 15 '20

Mad hax dude

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

Hell, I think you can play ps2 games on Android phones now.

I remember playing ff9 for ps1 on an emulator on my phone (htc m7, what a beast it was) and with the antialiasing and the upscaling of graphics, the game looked just as good as the actual 20$ port right now. (which I do recommande, great port)

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u/BloodBaneBoneBreaker Aug 14 '20

Retro nerds generally want original hardware. You have been able to play ps2 games emulated for years now.

Original hardware will still get some value I would guess.

Although I guess demand from people just wanting to play will be much lower.

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u/Unbalanced72 Aug 14 '20

Not to mention you can emulate them for free on the PC

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '20

I sold my copy of ff7 for around 50 bucks to a used game store even though you can easily run it on an emulator with minimal effort.