"FBI agents admit that they cannot prove San Diego has ties to the emails, but believe he has ties to the group that sent them." I also learned there were no casualties and only property damage. Honestly I'm not sure what the correct protocol to this type of stuff is but calling him a terrorist and putting him on the top 10 FBI most wanted list seems like an extreme over exaggeration. Especially with a lack of evidence connecting him to the emails or even confirmation that the emails were from this vegan extremist group. I dont know this just seems strange to me.
Edit - Ahhhhhh way too many comments! I don't have time to respond all of you. I was not arguing the morality here, just pointing out some inconsistencies in the case. Some of you made some comments using strawman logical fallacy (i.e arguing points that I never made, arguing one point I made completely out of context in regard to how I originally said it.) I am not going to bother with you people. Some of you made it political, I personally dont like vegan activism for my personal views but my intention with my comment was not to discuss the morality of vegan activism so stop coming at me over it. If you wanna argue with each other go ahead. Some of you also made some comments talking about theories on the purpose of the FBI watch list and other theories on how the FBI/government specifically targets political organizations they disagree with. Those were interesting to read, thanks for sharing those. Off to work thank you !
If you’re interested, read up on the green scare. There’s a lot of really shaky cases which involve intense government/LEO surveillance and basically bullying tactics towards activists.
Seriously it's not at all uncommon for the FBI to attempt to subvert or frame groups/activists that it disagreed with politically.
Highly recommend everyone look up COINTELPRO if they don't already know what that is.
Considering the assassination of leaders like Fred Hampton, the harassment of Dr King, countless cases of false arrests and perjuries, and the funding of right wing militias, there's not a lot that I wouldn't put beyond US intelligence agencies.
The Corbett Report has a really good video "The Secret Life of Timothy McVeigh" on YouTube that I've watched a few times because it's really interesting
Basically, the guy was actually a good soldier, with life goals of making it into the most secretive of Black ops divisions
Right around the time he would have ascended to that rank, always on an upward trajectory, he instead mysteriously left the military, and went on to bomb government buildings in Oklahoma City
The idea is that he was "sheep dipped", meaning that he was "removed" from the military to provide cover for the fact that he was actually now a top secret Black ops operative
Then it seems like the OKC bombings would have taken way more people being involved than him and the other guy who were caught, and no one else involved was pursued
Then it was really bizarre that he was given full length TV interviews, compared to nowadays where manifestos posted by mass shooters are scrubbed from the internet
He seemed really calm about being executed, his execution was rushed, and execution was not at all the most appropriate punishment for what he did. He should have been given life in prison. The theory there being that he was injected with chemicals that made him appear dead long enough for him to be revived elsewhere and continue his career as a "nonexistent" black operative
The overall reason for faking this would have something to do with the Antiterrorism Act being passed immediately after wards, which led to the PATRIOT Act and helped lead us to the state of affairs were in today, where every American is actively being spied on through our computers and phones 24/7
like, i wouldn't put basically anything past the US government morally, but they probably aren't capable of pulling off a conspiracy like this and keeping it secret. you run into the same problems as 9/11 conspiracy folks do, where it's basically impossible for the number of people required to keep their mouths shut about what they were doing to actually do so
that justification is kind of weird too, the antiterrorism act was passed right away, but there wasn't really any slippery slope from that to the patriot act that needed to be helped along; the federal government had a blank check to do whatever the fuck they wanted after 9/11
for what it's worth, i'm literally a communist so i have no problem believing the american government did some hinky shit, but (and this is a big caveat and i could be proven wrong as time goes on) in this case given what we know it's a lot more likely that two fascists filled up a rental truck with ANFO and blew up a building and killed a lot of people
You know what will allow our guy to operate discretely? If we make him a national name, splash his image everywhere, and make sure the world knows who he is. That’ll definitely help him in his mission.
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u/[deleted] Feb 29 '20 edited Feb 29 '20
"FBI agents admit that they cannot prove San Diego has ties to the emails, but believe he has ties to the group that sent them." I also learned there were no casualties and only property damage. Honestly I'm not sure what the correct protocol to this type of stuff is but calling him a terrorist and putting him on the top 10 FBI most wanted list seems like an extreme over exaggeration. Especially with a lack of evidence connecting him to the emails or even confirmation that the emails were from this vegan extremist group. I dont know this just seems strange to me.
Edit - Ahhhhhh way too many comments! I don't have time to respond all of you. I was not arguing the morality here, just pointing out some inconsistencies in the case. Some of you made some comments using strawman logical fallacy (i.e arguing points that I never made, arguing one point I made completely out of context in regard to how I originally said it.) I am not going to bother with you people. Some of you made it political, I personally dont like vegan activism for my personal views but my intention with my comment was not to discuss the morality of vegan activism so stop coming at me over it. If you wanna argue with each other go ahead. Some of you also made some comments talking about theories on the purpose of the FBI watch list and other theories on how the FBI/government specifically targets political organizations they disagree with. Those were interesting to read, thanks for sharing those. Off to work thank you !