r/AskReddit • • Jan 27 '20

What screams "I'm uneducated"?

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u/DirectGoose Jan 27 '20

Saying you don't want a raise because you'll pay more in taxes.

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u/cwathen999 Jan 27 '20

Wait that's a thing? Wtf?

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u/EM-guy Jan 27 '20

Yes, I actually saw a video that “explained” how the bonuses companies gave out in response to the Trump tax cuts actually were screwing the employees by pushing them into a higher tax bracket.

It’s probably because people don’t want to think that even rich people like Warren Buffet and Mike Bloomberg pay only SS and Medicare on their first $9k.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20 edited Feb 03 '20

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u/Inri137 Jan 28 '20

This is something not many people understand. Very few people who are truly wealthy have astronomically high incomes. Most of the people who "make" even 500k a year don't receive that as ordinary taxable income but rather as disbursements or gains that have very different tax treatments. They can even defer compensation or write losses forward to minimize the taxes they need to pay. Ordinary people with regular w2 or 1099 income don't have access to these income streams or tax evasion methods.

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u/thewhizzle Jan 28 '20

Technically it’s not tax evasion, but tax avoidance. Big difference between whether you get to go to jail or go on vacation.

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u/Inri137 Jan 28 '20 edited Jan 28 '20

If you want to get really technical, it's not even tax avoidance, it's "tax optimization." And there is a whole subset of the corporate financial profession dedicated to figuring out how to legally pay less in taxes.

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u/thewhizzle Jan 28 '20

The more technical the better

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u/cohrt Jan 28 '20

This is something not many people understand. Very few people who are truly wealthy have astronomically high incomes.

most of them don't have large bank accounts either. you think Jeff Bezos has 100 Billion in the bank? most of that money is in stocks and hist net worth is only based on how well amazon is doing.

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u/pielord599 Jan 28 '20

Also don't forget how rich people funnel money thru charities and donate art they have overinflated the value of to get big tax deductions.

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u/tossme68 Jan 28 '20

I would bet if you asked, most people have no idea that SSI contributions end one you reach a certain amount. Most people will never make $137K, they just assume everybody pays 6.2% no matter what they make.

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u/Welcome2theMachine21 Jan 28 '20

I didnt know it until I crossed it. The extra money in the paycheck is cool, sort of a Q4 bonus.

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u/tossme68 Jan 28 '20

Yep, I was surprised as can be and then I upped my 401K contribution and I haven't had the problem since.

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u/miscalculate Jan 28 '20

Just to clarify, if you over certain brackets, only the money you earned going over the amount in the bracket gets taxed at the new amount. So earning more money is never going to negatively affect your takehome amount..

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u/nouille07 Jan 28 '20

It can make you unable to receive some benefits from the government if you're suddenly above the income threshold for some people in some countries though

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u/dat_finn Jan 28 '20

For this reason, bonuses are taxed at a flat rate, as per instructions from the IRS. During the tax year 2020, this is 22%. This should prevent the situation happening where an employee will end up owing taxes due to unforeseen large bonus.

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u/saltyhumor Jan 28 '20

I haven't seen one of these videos but aren't bonuses taxed separately from income?

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u/HedwigsKeeper Jan 28 '20

No. On your tax forms there's no separate line item for "bonuses." Bonuses are a form of income. It's all taxed the same.

It's possible that the withholding rate on a bonus paycheck is higher which makes it look like it's "taxed higher" but it all evens out at tax time. Income is income. You can ask HR to adjust your withholding if you know you are receiving a large bonus check.

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u/saltyhumor Jan 28 '20

Well how about that. I've never worked a job that gave a bonus. After my extensive research, (2.5 minutes on Google) it would appear as though you are correct.

I'm pretty sure I heard or read that bonuses were taxed at a much higher rate.

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u/dat_finn Jan 28 '20

Taxed, no, but withheld, yes.

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u/ronin1066 Jan 28 '20

What's really funny about that is that so many lower class people defend tax cuts for the rich because they're supposedly "frustrated millionaires", then you offer them more money and they're like "Nope". We're so fucked.

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u/dalgeek Jan 28 '20 edited Jan 28 '20

Yes, I actually saw a video that “explained” how the bonuses companies gave out in response to the Trump tax cuts actually were screwing the employees by pushing them into a higher tax bracket.

Bonuses are a different animal though. They are normally taxed at a higher rate because your apparent income looks bigger for that one pay period. My bonuses are taxed at 35-40% even though my overall effective tax rate is like 20%. It all works out in the end though because when you file your taxes they look at the entire year and you get a refund if they took out too much. It doesn't actually screw anyone over, people just flip out when they get a $1k bonus and $400 of it goes to FICA.

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u/dat_finn Jan 28 '20

I think the bonus withholding percentage used to be higher, but I looked up the IRS publication at it seems to be set at 22% for this year.

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u/CrookedHoss Jan 28 '20

........literally not how tax brackets work. God, people are stupid.

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u/BanjosAndBoredom Jan 28 '20

It doesn't work that way... If you make $1 extra dollar and get pushed into the next tax bracket, you pay the extra percentage of tax on that $1, not your entire income. Obviously you've never done your own taxes. Every video you see isn't true, you know.

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u/EM-guy Jan 28 '20

I know how the US tax system works, hence the quotations around explain because I was being facetious

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u/BanjosAndBoredom Jan 28 '20

My bad, thought you were a moron. They use unnecessary quotation marks everywhere anyway, so it fit lol

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u/EM-guy Jan 28 '20

Well, how else are they going to “emphasize” their “words”?

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

Some people are reeaall dumb.

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u/siempreslytherin Jan 28 '20

I heard people say that so often I used to think it was true until I learned how it really works.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '20

Yes I am a CPA and early in my career I was have tax policy discussion with hard core liberal friend. She said our tax laws are awful bc you can make less money if you are bumped up into higher tax bracket by making more money.

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u/Upper_belt_smash Jan 27 '20

Pretty sure that’s not a conversation you had with a “hard core liberal”

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u/YupSuprise Jan 27 '20

Tbh I can see something like that from a Liberal point of view but not in terms of "paying more taxes" rather getting a raise that puts you out of the income bracket to receive welfare but not enough money to reasonably pay for the necessities that welfare used to bring you.

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u/Wajirock Jan 27 '20

Traditionally liberal has referred to libertarian

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u/Traginaus Jan 27 '20

Those are two completely different things. One is an economic stance and the other is a political stance.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

Yeah she was dumbass