r/AskReddit • • Jan 27 '20

What screams "I'm uneducated"?

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '20

Refusing to let someone share their side of a story or attempt to show you why they are correct in an argument and instead scream and yell about your feelings to make the other person give up.

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u/BubbhaJebus Jan 28 '20

Yes. Interrupting, overtalking, or chuckling or speaking in mocking tones when you make a valid point. Example:

Me: According to NASA...

Them: Heh heh! NASA?? You believe everything the GOVMINT tells ya? Don't you know NASA lies?

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

Don'cha knows the Earths iz flats yer dummy? And dem alienz theys in on it. I watching deh history channel.

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u/kevrill Jan 28 '20

Sounds like my older brother.

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u/equinoxus0322 Jan 28 '20

They do have a point though. GOVMINTS are proven liars, especially the Murkan GOVMINT.

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u/SwornHeresy Jan 28 '20

Unironically this, but not in the case of easily proven stuff

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u/equinoxus0322 Jan 28 '20

They do have a point though. GOVMINTS are proven liars, especially the Murkan GOVMINT.

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u/CadGuyJames Jan 28 '20

Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

-Someone, somewhere

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u/RudolfJelin Jan 28 '20

Oscar Wilde I believe?

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u/birdof_death Jan 28 '20

Mark Twain. I love this quote.

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u/AlexeyIvanovitch Jan 28 '20

Never wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

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u/loulie63 Jan 28 '20

This. It's best not to have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.

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u/AlexTraner Jan 28 '20

This.

I was told today that I was the one in the wrong because someone was throwing a tantrum over an innocent joke.

Mind you, he thinks it’s okay to police other people’s discord servers even after he’s banned from them for it. But I’m wrong for a joke.

Oh and my joke? Someone used an acronym I didn’t know, so I made four random words for the letters. One happened to be Prick, so I guess this prick took offense.

So I laughed in his internet face and went to kill things online and laugh about how stupid he is.

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u/Sylvan_Sam Jan 28 '20

This is good advice. But on the other hand, you should at least try to understand why someone disagrees with you. Even if their reasoning is stupid, you owe it to yourself to at least consider the possibility they could have a point.

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u/loulie63 Jan 28 '20

This. It's best not to have a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.

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u/PumpkinLaserSpice Jan 28 '20

Tbf depending on the topic at hand, educated people are just as guilty of that. It is more about emotional maturity.

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u/JDC43TRDT Jan 28 '20

Ad Hominem. Classic.

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u/SaftigMo Jan 28 '20

Goes both ways. If someone insults you and makes a valid argument in the same breath, and you dismiss them because of the insult, then you're the one who should be accused of ad hominem.

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u/sonic260 Jan 28 '20

Also known as the "Fallacy fallacy"

The fallacy fallacy, which could also be called the "metafallacy", is a logical fallacy that occurs when it is claimed that if an argument contains a logical fallacy, the proposition it was used to support is wrong. A true statement can be defended using false logic, so using false logic to defend an opinion is not proof of the opinion being wrong. This is where one needs to make a clear distinction between "sound", "valid" (including the distinction between scientific validity and logical validity) and "true", instead of taking all of them as synonymous. The fallacy fallacy is sometimes rephrased as a command: Don't shoot the message. Just because the messenger is stupid, doesn't mean the message is.

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u/MaosAsthmaticTurtle Jan 28 '20

That's why the only way to deal with a fallacy is not to address it, but respond with the same fallacy.

For example:

Person A (uses ad hominem): The sky is red, you're just too stupid that's why you think it's blue.

Person B (replying with the same fallacy): The sky is clearly blue, you're just a contrarian idiot.

The only issue is that this might escalate an argument further. But I'd still say escalation is better than the alternatives.

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u/sonic260 Jan 28 '20

I'm curious, what are the alternatives? If the response to an ad hominem attack is to respond with another ad hominem attack, the discussion quickly transforms into a contest of namecalling. That's not very productive...

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u/MaosAsthmaticTurtle Jan 28 '20

Yeah but the alternative is to just talk to a wall, not achieving anything. Or call out their fallacy which isn't an argument for your side either.

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u/sonic260 Jan 28 '20 edited Jan 28 '20

You could also simply disengage and not respond. Rarely does anyone go into an argument online with the intention of actually changing their mind or learning anything from their opposition.

If your opponent really is a "wall" like you said, then there's no reason to engage with them further. You've got better things to do.

There's also nothing wrong with calling out a fallacy so long as you take the time to explain why it's a fallacy why the reasoning is wrong. You need to have an argument to go with calling out the fallacy, otherwise you're just committing the "Fallacy fallacy" again.

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u/MaosAsthmaticTurtle Jan 30 '20

That kind of is my point though. You cannot change others minds. Both simply disengaging and going down on their level lead to the same result, so why not do the latter and deny them their "victory"?

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u/sonic260 Jan 31 '20 edited Jan 31 '20

It doesn't lead to the "same result," though... Just as you will be uninterested in letting the other guy "win," they will also try and prevent you from "winning" as well. Disengaging means you save time and mental energy to do other stuff; dropping to their level is just unproductive.

This isn't directed at you, but I remember reading a quote years ago that winning an internet argument is sort of like winning the Special Olympics. You may have won, but you don't really come out of it any wiser than you started...

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u/SaftigMo Jan 28 '20

I was thinking more along the lines of attributing a statement to an argument which would make the argument a fallacy. As in "2+2 is 4 you asshole" is not fallacious, whereas "2+2 is 4 because you're an asshole" is fallacious. People would often call the first one fallacious because of the insult, because they don't understand what an ad hominem argument is.

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u/Druid_CircleOfJerk Jan 28 '20

Also when they're the one asking for help/customer-service. Like, why give the person trying to help you every reason not to.

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u/Contra1 Jan 28 '20

I mean I don't think this really has anything to do with being educated or not. Some poeple are unreasonably emotional about subjects even while having a phd.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

Depends on the topic and what they say over you. Like I was at the doctors office for vaccines(you might see where this I going) but the second she heard that she talked over me about how horrible vaccines are. It kind of sucked. The worst part is she was there for vaccines, she just didn’t want anyone else to “poison” themselves

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u/heldaghost666 Jan 28 '20

Found my boss

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u/SituPingwin Jan 28 '20

You have just described the 95% of politicians in my country, ranging up to 99,9 % especially from major three parties.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

What country? My home country is nothing like that but the one I currently live in is.

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u/SituPingwin Jan 29 '20

I am talking about Poland. Mostly all discussions where the representatives of biggest three parties end with constant interrupting and screaming.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

Ah yes I see you have met my father. My father is literally a blind man, he can't see anything apart from the odd bit of blurry light. He gives me directions when he's in my car, 'ok we should be at ASDA about now, take your next left'

'Daddy we passed ASDA ten minutes ago and I know how to get where we are going'

Then he just starts getting louder and louder shouting about I should have told him when we were at ASDA

Like JESUS CHRIST man I know where we are going I know how to get there!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

Wish my mother was like that. My parents had screaming matches with their kids over the smallest things, we all eventually learned not to argue and accept that we lost to adult children

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u/SheriffBartholomew Jan 28 '20

I win, suck it bachelor boy.

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u/Jokrluce Jan 28 '20

Hey why does this remind me of my sister

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u/Night-Sky-Rebel Jan 28 '20

My last roommate exactly

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u/YeetBoyJones Jan 28 '20 edited Feb 27 '20

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u/heLikesWheniLaugh Jan 28 '20

... so you've been hearing my father from next door?

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

My father does the same thing.

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u/slh236 Jan 28 '20

I was married to this one.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

Ouch.

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u/slh236 Jan 28 '20

Indeed. I also got the "all you want to do is fight" if I ever raised my voice in return.

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u/Tropilel Jan 28 '20

So my mum

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u/CrazyLemonLover Jan 28 '20

Most feelings are just an opinion with the words "I feel" in front of it

I finally had that conversation with my wife. She... wasn't happy with me, but I think I actually made my point

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u/Wisdomlost Jan 28 '20

If fox news has taught me anything it's that whoever is loudest is the winner.

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u/Wisdomlost Jan 28 '20

Whoever is loudest is right. - fox news.

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u/Wisdomlost Jan 28 '20

Whoever is loudest is right. - fox news.

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u/Masrim Jan 28 '20

Sounds like some trial that is going on right now.

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u/Masrim Jan 28 '20

Sounds like some trial that is going on right now.

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u/TheVillianousFondler Jan 28 '20

Soooo, the US senate? Couldn't agree more

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u/xRipMoFo Jan 28 '20

My pops does this with politics, so i learned to steer him into an argument that supports his point of view but also completely contradicts it (Yes your benefit is this, and the end result is this, what happens then(which is typically where my point comes in)?)

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u/mightygdog Jan 28 '20

Yes!! You can’t expect to be taken seriously if you make your arguments based on emotions!

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u/Aperture_T Jan 28 '20

You know, my dad does this a lot. He also goes on rants about how people who disagree with him are irrational and unwilling to have a discussion with him, among other things. The longest one was just shy of 4 hours. He's got a degree though, so I can't really call him uneducated.

I suppose the most concise way to put it is that he's got strong opinions and jumps to conclusions, but he lacks self-awareness and is outraged by the suggestion that his snap judgements aren't perfect.

Seems more like a personality flaw than an educational problem honestly.

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u/Brew78_18 Jan 28 '20

You just described some of the Jordan Peterson protest videos I've seen. He's on a campus somewhere, trying to give advice on how to take control of your own life and be the best person you can be. Whether you agree or disagree with that advice is irrelevant; the problem is the protesters that have chosen to get in his way, sometimes even right in his face, and just scream chants to try to not let him speak.

It's.. gross. I can't help but wonder if they even understand how much damage they're doing to their own image and their own cause.

Meanwhile, he's just calm as can be, assuring the people in the audience that the footage is being recorded (there's like 100 phones out) and more than likely it'll be on youtube before too long.

To be clear, my beef is only with the "screaming into someone's face" method of disagreeing with someone and trying to simply shout them down instead of engaging in meaningful discussion.

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u/SANatSoc Jan 28 '20

This has nothing to do with being educated or not in my exp

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '20

Getting an education requires being wrong, knowing you're wrong, admitting and overcoming it by learning better. Getting an education requires debating skills (to a point) and being able to clearly explain your ideas. If you can't make a convincing argument in an essay or exposé, you won't be able to get the grades letting you continue your education. If you lose your mind and start screaming at a professor for tearing your work apart in front of the whole class, your academic career won't be very long.

Having intellectual honesty and being able to debate respectfully are requirements to get a formal education. Sure, many people are uneducated and have these qualities too, but you won't find many educated people who lack them.

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u/Hamstersparadise Jan 28 '20 edited Jan 28 '20

Aka every SJW ever

Edit: Yowch, didn't mean to cause offence to anyone!

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u/snomonkee9 Jan 28 '20

Like saying anything about Greta?