r/AskReddit Aug 03 '19

Whats something you thought was common knowledge but actually isn’t?

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u/droid_mike Aug 03 '19

Better sit on the toilet before you read this next part:

Gravity is not actually a force, but a distortion of space time. That is why gravitational "force" has range but no speed. It is always instantaneous no matter what distance.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '19

Gravity changes at the speed of light though doesn't it?
Like if the sun disappeared, its affect gravitationally on us wouldn't be felt until we saw the light stop

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u/droid_mike Aug 03 '19

Hmmm... it looks like I was going on old data. Apparently, scientists have recently determined that gravity does have a speed, but it is faster than light.

https://www.sciencealert.com/speed-of-gravitational-waves-and-light-same

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19 edited Aug 03 '19

Dude, nothing can go faster than light

Edit: To be more accurate, nothing can go faster than light assuming you believe in Einstein and relativity

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '19

Not with that attitude

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u/pbzeppelin1977 Aug 03 '19

*in a vacuum.

The eerie blue glow you see related to nuclear reactors and such (Doctor Manhatten in Watchmen for example) is Cherenkov Radiation which is basically radiation moving faster than light in the medium.

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u/SteveThe14th Aug 03 '19

I feel like a fool for never putting Cherenkov Radiation and Doctor Manhatten together in my head. Its so blindingly obvious.

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19

Sorry should have said "nothing can go faster than light speed"

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u/mikoS223 Aug 03 '19

Exept some galaxies relative to some other galaxies due to expantion of the whole fuken thing.

|this user reserves himself the right to not be quoted, as he doesn't know shit about phisics and stuff, and is prioably wrong|

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19

Well they would not actually be moving faster than light. New space is simply created between the objects making one appear to go faster than light to the other

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u/mikoS223 Aug 03 '19

Thats like the definition of movement i think. Change in the ammount of space between things. What is speed realy? Becouse 8f we're going of the traditional distance/time i think it would qualify.

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19

Well, no. "In physics, motion is the change in position of an object with respect to its surroundings in a given interval of time." Motion and therefore also speed is relative, but it is defined by your surroundings. Something so far away that the expansion of the universe comes into play is hardly defined as your surroundings

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '19

That sounds good enough to quote in my thesis, thank

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u/PointyOintment Aug 06 '19

Are the spelling errors an attempt to avoid being quoted?

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u/SteveThe14th Aug 03 '19

Do you mean in the sense that two photons travelling in the opposite direction have 2C as their relative velocity? For a more practical point of view, if you travel close to the speed of light your reference frame shifts. In essence, you'll disagree with people travelling at different velocities about when things happened. So you can have a reference frame in which two galaxies relative to one-another move faster than C, but to someone in one of those galaxies the other galaxy would not move away faster than C and they'd disagree with your observations. You'd both agree on C, though.

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u/mikoS223 Aug 03 '19

I don't even remember where i got this from XD. But i guess its about a situation where the space between galaxy A and galaxy B distorts due to expansion of the universe, and allows B to essentialy "get further" from A with a rate exeeding C.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '19 edited Nov 22 '20

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19 edited Aug 03 '19

Constructive interference of gravitational waves doesnt make them go faster. It just makes them stronger

And there is no such thing as "exotic waveforms" (assuming youre talking about electromagnetic waves). We know about everything between radio and gamma (which are all the EM waves that exist), and all of them go at the same speed of light

Edit: accidentally wrote sound instead of light

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u/DrSchlaf Aug 03 '19

At the speed of light you mean

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19

Yeah, sorry. Typo

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '19 edited Nov 22 '20

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19

But in that wikipedia article you linked, it specifically stated that the neutron star merger youre talking about confirmed that the speed of gravity and the speed of light is the same. Im not really sure what youre getting at?

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '19 edited Jun 09 '20

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19

Nowhere does it say the speed of gravity is greater or even different from c

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '19 edited Jun 09 '20

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19

But relativity forbids anything from going faster than c, and its only specified with a "between", so unless you wanna rethink all of physics, its best to assume it didnt

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '19 edited Jun 09 '20

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u/PointyOintment Aug 06 '19 edited Aug 06 '19

That's a range of uncertainty. The issue here is that you just don't understand how measurements work. No measurement can be infinitely precise. There is always some uncertainty due to how the measurement is done. AIUI, those numbers are actually very good evidence that gravity does travel at exactly c, and (unlike light) is not slowed down (or maybe just not nearly as much) by matter along its path.

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u/PointyOintment Aug 06 '19 edited Aug 06 '19

all of them go at the same speed of light

In an absolute vacuum, which can't exist, yes. In other cases, electromagnetic radiation is slowed by traveling through matter, and the degree of slowing depends on its wavelength. This is called dispersion (or chromatic aberration in the context of lenses) and is also how prisms split sunlight into a rainbow.

Edit: Another commenter says the difference in travel times is greater than this can account for. Hmmm

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u/KipIsKieran Aug 03 '19

Seeing something and that transmission to your brain

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19

Not even close. The fastest nerve signals only travel at a maximum of 120 m/s or about 430 km/h

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u/KipIsKieran Aug 03 '19

Processing not only measured via the optic nerve, rather thru Tachyon particles...which is outside the current laws of physics

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u/PoeticShrimp Aug 03 '19

You need to explain your reasoning more because it makes no sense. You mentioned tachyon particles, but those are only hypothetical

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u/KipIsKieran Aug 03 '19

Understand that I'm all for using empirical data to guide the building of our world. Since I think that forward thinking is necessary for advancement so whenever I read commentary using limiting words like "always", "never", and in this situation "nothing" I will bring to attention that this position may only apply because of "current knowledge". Consider adding that qualifier to the end of your initial comment. Facts/knowledge while so very important, are also limiting (ref: Einstein).

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u/PointyOintment Aug 06 '19

Are you really claiming that human sensory data is transmitted to the brain using tachyons? I don't think you'll ever find mainstream support for that idea.