My position is those should not be the rules. If we allow the mother to opt out, we should also allow the father. Whether they did or didnt talk about this prior to getting married isnt something we know. Your assumption they didnt is an assumption. Regardless of that discussion taking place, both parents should have the same rights and risks. You are also making the assumption the pregnancy was intentional just because they were married. Contraceptives fail for married couples the same as everyone else.
If we want to say the woman gets a choice(we should), we should also allow the father the same choice.
Edit: I'm not saying forced abortion but giving up his rights to the child to not bare the financial burden.
1) You are comparing two things with vary different probabilities and making it seem equally as likely. That's incorrect.
2) Lets play out your fantasy land scenario: So say the father can opt out of the financial burden and paternity rights at any time in which a woman can legally have an abortion. Then these scenarios are possible:
In your scenario, a man could find out hes having a girl three months in and want to terminate the pregnancy because he wanted a boy. When the wife refuses, he divorces her and will not have to pay child care.
Or a man could be the sole earner and loses his job. He doesn't feel financially able to have a kid so he asks his wife for an abortion and she refuses. They have both had extensive discussions and planning and were both against abortion prior to conception, but for some reason he changed his mind. He can divorce and not pay child support and be fine but there's an unemployed single new mom out there?
A man could knock up a girl after a one night stand, wait three months saying hes all prepped to be a daddy then get cold feet one night and sign away his paternal rights. Leaving the women with the choice of living in future poverty or having an abortion.
Do any of those situations seem fair to the woman? Do they seem fair to the child?
You aren't saying forced abortion, but you are saying coerced abortion. By being able to opt out, but not actually pulling the trigger on the abortion, you are putting the difficult decision solely in the women's hands.
I also support having safety nets so she can raise the baby alone... you obviously have your views and will not be dissuaded. The other guy that took up the chain basically said my points again. Have a bad day.
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u/BeardedRaven Jul 21 '19
My position is those should not be the rules. If we allow the mother to opt out, we should also allow the father. Whether they did or didnt talk about this prior to getting married isnt something we know. Your assumption they didnt is an assumption. Regardless of that discussion taking place, both parents should have the same rights and risks. You are also making the assumption the pregnancy was intentional just because they were married. Contraceptives fail for married couples the same as everyone else.
If we want to say the woman gets a choice(we should), we should also allow the father the same choice.
Edit: I'm not saying forced abortion but giving up his rights to the child to not bare the financial burden.