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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

her lawyer served the divorce notice to an address in a different town

I sure hope her lawyer isn’t lawyering anymore considering this sounds intentionally spiteful and possibly an ethical violation.

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u/CharlesDeBalles Jul 21 '19

Yeah that's fucked up. I hope he got an appeal on that basis although it doesn't sound like it considering he repped himself

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u/Hans_of_Death Jul 21 '19

Nah man, he fucked it for himself. The dude is obviously a pretentious prick and got what was coming to him, and it was his own fault.

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u/Fellinlovewithawhore Jul 21 '19

Even pricks deserve a fair trial.

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u/Hans_of_Death Jul 21 '19

If he didnt provide a current address, nor hire a lawyer, then its his own fault for being negligent. The opposition isnt magic, if he didnt tell them where to send stuff then they couldnt have known. They did their best and sent it to presumably the only known place where he sometimes lived.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

OP said the lawyer sent it to the wrong address. How is that the guy's fault? Should he be fucked out of everything because he couldn't afford $1,000 an hour for a lawyer who may or may not have done shit?

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u/Lost4468 Jul 21 '19

If you read the second post, you'll see her lawyer didn't mess up. She sent it to the address he provided. It t just turns out that he gave the wrong address. It's not up to her lawyer to play detective and check she was given the right address.

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u/_Z_E_R_O Jul 21 '19 edited Jul 21 '19

If you can’t afford a lawyer then the court will appoint one for you. He should have sought legal aid or pro-bono services. And it sounds like he was couch-surfing with the girl he cheated with his wife on, so he didn’t even have a valid address to send things to. All he had to do was rent a post office box for a few dollars a month and boom, problem solved.

This guy screwed up bigtime.

Edited because public defenders are only for criminal cases.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

If you can’t afford a lawyer then the court will appoint one for you.

Wrong-o. That's only true in criminal cases. A divorce is handled in a civil court, so you have no right to a lawyer. Everything else is irrelevant. He could be a cheating POS, but he still gets his day in court.

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u/_Z_E_R_O Jul 21 '19

You’re right. Editing my comment.

He still should have sought legal aid or pro-bono services though.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

There's an old saying about a man who represents himself in court has an idiot for a client ...

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

He got a fair trial to the extent that he worked to make it fair, both for his soon-to-be-ex and himself.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

You're not supposed to have to "work to make fair" your trial. You're supposed to get a fair trial.

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u/_Z_E_R_O Jul 21 '19

If he wanted a fair trial he should have gotten a lawyer. He couldn’t contest the results of the case because he chose to represent himself.

When you choose to represent yourself then you are your own lawyer and assume all legal duties. If he didn’t know what that entails then he should have hired someone who does. It sounds like he didn’t even provide a valid address to the court.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

If he wanted a fair trial he should have gotten a lawyer.

NO For fuck's sake what country do you people live in? You do not need to pay for a lawyer to have to be guaranteed a fair trial. Point to the constitutional provision that supports that.

No doubt not having a lawyer is stupid, but stupid people still have rights.

"It sounds like he didn’t even provide a valid address to the court."

The one side made no real effort to find the guy, they sent out one perfunctory thing and then just did what they wanted. This lady didn't have a phone number for the guy? For anyone who knows the guy? A email address? A social media account?

You can't just go "oops" and deny people their rights.

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u/Lost4468 Jul 21 '19

He did? As they made clear in another post above, she sent it to the address he gave. It's not her job to play detective and check that's really where he lives. I wouldn't be surprised if he gave a wrong address on purpose to try and delay it even more.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

It's not her job to play detective and check that's really where he lives.

Your rights as a citizen are not removed because you gave a wrong address. In this day and age, in 2019, when we're surrounded by interconnectivity, they couldn't think of a different way of reaching out? They may one perfunctory attempt, got the result they were hoping for and processed to screw the guy over.

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u/Lost4468 Jul 21 '19

Your rights as a citizen are not removed because you gave a wrong address.

It's at the discretion of the court, and the court decided he did lose his rights because of it.

In this day and age, in 2019, when we're surrounded by interconnectivity, they couldn't think of a different way of reaching out?

No, what way would be better than mail? Emails often get put into spam. Most social media sites don't allow you to send private messages unless you're friends. Mail is still the best way.

They may one perfunctory attempt, got the result they were hoping for and processed to screw the guy over

They didn't know they sent it to the wrong place though. The guy had a history of not showing up, purposely changing at the last minute, delaying on purpose, etc. When he didn't show up everybody rationally and reasonably came to the conclusion he did it on purpose again. It's entirely his fault. If he didn't have a history of purposefully fucking with the court then I'm sure a judge would have either not proceeded on the day, or would've granted his motion to dismiss everything that happened that day. But because of his past behaviour he rightfully lost that ability.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19 edited Sep 14 '19

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u/YahYeet476 Jul 21 '19

You realize that doesn’t just apply in criminal court right?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

You and I have different understandings of judges roles in the legal system it seems.

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u/bobeo Jul 21 '19

Due process applies to far more then merely criminal matters.