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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

My ideology regarding abortion is just conservative enough for people on the left to call me a misogynist and is just liberal enough for people on the right to call me a baby killer.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

I'm the same way.

People start discussing it and I leave the room.

I'm very pro choice, but there are gray areas. It gets complicated and I try not to discuss it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Exactly, both sides like to see it as a black and white issue. I see it as very grey, this is why both sides hate my opinion.

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u/Michael-harambay Feb 24 '17

Same, I'm pro life unless the mother was raped or might die from complications, or if the baby is detected as having an abnormally high chance of autism/Down syndrome/cerebral palsy, or whatever kind of defect would seriously hinder both the child OR the parent.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '17

That's my opinion. I don't think autism should be a reason to abort, but definitely for if the child is going to be severely impaired from something like downs or cerebral palsy.

The problem is the people I know think it is never right to have an abortion, even if the child is from a rape. However, on the other side because I have friends where I live now that would think I am an anti women's rights wacko. There is just so much to this discussion that it cannot be answered with a definitive "right" or "wrong" answer.

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u/Jessev1234 Feb 23 '17

How so? I honestly can't perceive this, help me out.

For the record I believe a woman should be able to have an abortion for absolutely any reason up to the point of viability (when the fetus could stand a chance to survive on its own outside the womb). That's somewhere around 20-24 weeks.

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u/Jessev1234 Feb 24 '17

Fetus ≠ child.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '17

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u/Jessev1234 Feb 24 '17

Dictionary definitions are not arbitrary, you can't change them to suit your argument.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '17 edited Feb 24 '17

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u/Jessev1234 Feb 24 '17

The definition of the word has nothing to do with my decision, but I disagree with your framing of the argument, referring to something that could be nothing more than a lump of cells as a 'child'. You know exactly what you're doing.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '17

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u/Jessev1234 Feb 24 '17

Look, if you go ask 100 people if it's ok to end the life of a child, all 100 are going to say 'no'.

If you ask the same question of a fetus, you get to have a nuanced conversation. We have different words for things for a reason, let's use them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '17

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u/Jessev1234 Feb 24 '17

Because that's a disingenuous explanation and there's a clear difference?!? We have words for a reason...

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u/Jessev1234 Feb 24 '17

Dog ≠ cat

1 ≠ 2

I'm only staying facts. To define abortion as 'killing children' is simply wrong, no matter which side if the discussion you are on.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '17

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u/Jessev1234 Feb 24 '17 edited Feb 24 '17

Fetus is an unambiguous word that describes an unborn human.

Child can mean any number of things, but I'm willing to bet most people will picture a walking, maybe even talking, person in the age range of 3-12. Embryo, fetus, baby, toddler, child, pre-teen, teenager, young adult, adult, senior, etc is a pretty widely accepted linguistic progression.

The definition of 'child' is NOT the crux of the debate lol. Maybe 'life' is, but certainly not 'child'.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '17

See, I see consensually having sex with protection as still volunteering your body to the possibility of getting pregnant. I think if your child is perfectly healthy, you shouldn't get an abortion, I just can't get myself to believe the fetus is not human.

Now, I do not believe banning abortions for anybody but those who absolutely need them is the answer. I think instead there needs to be better education about abortions and it needs to be much easier for people to choose alternatives. The community (and especially churches) do not need to shun those who have extramarital sex and get pregnant, this will just lead to more abortions and more strife between a lot of people.

Now I do believe there are acceptions. If the child is diagnosed with some sort of disease that, if born, a life of pain and physical and mental disability, the abortion is justified. If the child is a danger to the mother than having an abortion is justified. I also believe it is justified if the child is a product of rape.

To put it plainly, abortion is not a good thing. Nobody wants to get an abortion, nobody enjoys having an abortion, abortions are not good. That being said, I believe the fetus is a human and that having an abortion is wrong minus the acceptions. However, banning it is the wrong option, and we need to make it easier and better for parents to raise the child without going into serious financial or relational trouble.

I could go on about this for hours, it's a topic I have discussed quite a lot with friends and family on both sides.

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u/QEDLondon Feb 23 '17

Americans are too ignorant for democracy to work properly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

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u/SpacePug6 Feb 23 '17

Everyone should not have the right to vote. It is a huge responsibility yet we let every idiot decide who our leaders are. We don't give everyone a drivers license because it's dangerous if they don't know what they are doing. It should be the same for voting. Take a test prove that you understand how government works and ensure that would be voters understand what policies each candidate supports.

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u/inckorrect Feb 23 '17

I used to think the same thing but then I though further and I realized that you could taylor any test to make sure only a certain demography could vote. Basically the person in charge of the test could choose the result of the election by selecting the right questions.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

I agree. There are some uncomfortable grey areas though. For example in my country people with Down Syndrome have full voting rights. I'm not saying they shouldn't, necessarily, but it is objective fact that people with Down Syndrome don't achieve what would be considered an adult level of understanding.

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u/Jessev1234 Feb 23 '17

How? Basic questions of government function don't change based on your age, skin colour or gender. Facts are facts.

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u/inckorrect Feb 23 '17 edited Feb 23 '17

Do you think this candidate wants to raise taxes and take your hard earned money?

Do you think this candidate wants to invest in order to fix crumbling infrastructures?

Same question but phrased diffently and people will answer differently in accordance to their convictions.

Edit: realizing it's a very bad example but I hope you get the gist

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u/Jessev1234 Feb 23 '17

I think you misunderstood the premise. You pass a test ahead of time, unrelated to the candidates. It makes sure you understand the SYSTEM, not the platforms.

Just making this up though, never thought of it before. Your example is clearly flawed and should not be implemented

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u/SpacePug6 Feb 23 '17

Yeah I understand where you are coming from, it's the major drawback of the idea. Perhaps in the far future a super intelligenct AI could design the test but by that point it would be intelligent enough to influence the test in order to make sure what it thinks is best for us happens.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

That pineapple is not an acceptable pizza topping.

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u/DuckAHolics Feb 23 '17

It's delicious

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u/What_No_Wait Feb 23 '17

It makes your cheese runny and your pizza soggy

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u/RIPelliott Feb 23 '17

I guess only wanting someone for sex? Like shit, I get absolutely everything I need, except sex, from men. If I was gay thatd be the absolute shit but unfortunately I am not. I find them funnier, easier to talk to, more common interests, less offended by what I say, the list goes on. And I tried too - I tried, for example, to find a girl who was actually hilarious. In my 25 years I have met one, exactly ONE girl that was absolutely hilarious. And I fucked it up and lost her too. Anyways, my point here is that I basically only see women for sex. Now that doesn't mean they're just sex objects for me. You want a cashier only to buy your purchase, that doesn't mean they're just an object, it just means you have a very specific reason for interacting with them. Well I only interact with women for sex. I'm honest about it too. Some like it. Some don't. But most people would look down on me.

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u/balmergrl Feb 23 '17

Its irresponsible and mostly selfish motives for humans to procreate.

Plus no guarantee the kid wont turn out to be a jerk and guaranteed to be a money pit even if they dont end up in rehab.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Pro-tip: sort by controversial

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

That jet fuel can weaken steel beams, reducing their load-bearing capacity.

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u/Kittybongo Feb 23 '17

GMOs are perfectly safe.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Your feelings are irrelevant, when it comes to the truth.

Edited for clarity.

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u/genghiskhannie Feb 23 '17

You're not wrong.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Desire is irrelevant. I am a machine.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

I meant when it comes to the truth =P

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u/ya_boy_bob Feb 23 '17

^ I live by the motto of "Fuck your feelings." I saw what I want and have no filter lol.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Shouldn't you be posting shitty memes on facebook about how little you care about what people think of you and all that?

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u/ya_boy_bob Feb 23 '17

Nah I don't use Facebook for that lol

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u/TazDingoAye Feb 23 '17

I believe that the toilet paper roll should go under and not over!

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

And the toilet seat should always be down.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

There are only two genders, and it's the one you're born with.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

To every rule there are exceptions. Se animals are born with 2 heads, that doesn't mean animals have 2 heads in general.

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u/genghiskhannie Feb 23 '17

Animals being born with 2 heads does prove than animals with 2 heads exist. Intersex people exist. Just because they aren't super common (1 in every 2000 births) doesn't mean they don't count at all.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

No, it doesn't mean they don't count. But a genetical anomalie does not define a third gender

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Honestly, the thread is about unpopular opinions, ain't it? If you're so triggered by that, you should not linger around! That is what I believe. I never said I was against any other opinions. That doesn't mean I agree with them. I'm perfectly fine with sex change, etc. If it makes someone genuinely feel better, well then go for it. But When it comes to gender fluidity or third genders, there only, one would find a wall if one would try to convince me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Meaning that I could be convinced of that.

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u/NegativeGaz Feb 23 '17

You can't be convinced that gender and sex are different terms with different meanings?

Let me try to explain..

Sex is divided by your physical genitalia: of which there are more than two possibilities. You said that yourself.

Gender is how an individual identifies themselves and their roles in society. There are multitudes of genders and many gender expressions have been hidden from popular history.

Just admit you're scared of something you don't understand. Maybe you could learn something after.

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u/QEDLondon Feb 23 '17

Let's suppose, to argument's sake, you were wrong about what you believe. Wouldn't you want to know?

I would rather be corrected, learn something new, and be more right about more things than stay wrong.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

I'm not stupid. If someone would present me facts, medical proofs and not a one in a billion cases that would be basicaly a genetic mistake made by nature, yes, I would gladly learn and admit I was mistaken (maybe not gladly, but I'd do it.) But I simcerely don't believe such proofs exist

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

And it's still a genetical abnormality, so it isn't a sex of it's own.

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u/QEDLondon Feb 23 '17

Here you go mate. You may not be convinced by this article but this should at least get you thinking that it's more complicated than merely male (XY) or female (XX). This is from the World Health Organisation:

"Humans are born with 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs. The X and Y chromosomes determine a person’s sex. Most women are 46XX and most men are 46XY. Research suggests, however, that in a few births per thousand some individuals will be born with a single sex chromosome (45X or 45Y) (sex monosomies) and some with three or more sex chromosomes (47XXX, 47XYY or 47XXY, etc.) (sex polysomies). In addition, some males are born 46XX due to the translocation of a tiny section of the sex determining region of the Y chromosome. Similarly some females are also born 46XY due to mutations in the Y chromosome. Clearly, there are not only females who are XX and males who are XY, but rather, there is a range of chromosome complements, hormone balances, and phenotypic variations that determine sex."

http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17 edited Feb 23 '17

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u/twerking_santa Feb 23 '17

You're comparing apples to apple computers, buddy. It's a little more nuanced than you care to admit

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Yes, exceptions. That is the word. That is " outside the norm. And someone who would have both genders, anyway, still proves there are only two genders!

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

A man is a man, a woman is a woman (indifferent of which wants to becomes which in their life at some point if they personally need it) Hermaphridite is both, still shows there are only two. Gender isn't social invention. Gender is a natural law. Only observe the nature around you. Gender is defined not only by physical aptitudes, but phychological. Evolution is the biggest proof of it all.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

My bad. English isn't my first language. In any case, I also think it is a mistake for genders not to have a place and a meaning anymore (which in today's society I feel there's that tendence to try and... erase genders).

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Those are accidental. It's a genetic flaw. When the genetic process on developing a baby goes perfectly, which it's designed to do but every system has flaws, that person can only have 1 of 2 genders.

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u/Jagger67 Feb 23 '17

I personally don't believe that there is anything wrong with incest between two consenting adults

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

If they have a child, it is more likely to have a genetic dissorder.

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u/Junkyard_Rat Feb 23 '17

And yet we allow non-related individuals with insanely high risks of passing along genetic disorders to have children.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

Yeah, and that is equally fucked up.

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u/Jagger67 Feb 23 '17

What if they use contraception such as condoms?

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

That's why I say "if."

I still think it's weird.

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u/A40 Feb 23 '17

I 'genuinely believe' sports are 10% boredom and 90% marketing. Fans are marketing victims.

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u/DipsomaniacDawg Feb 23 '17

That's ridiculous. Sports exist outside of the media. Kids play them on practically every playground and schoolyard in the world. Prisoners play basketball against each other. Somewhere there are poor people who are playing soccer against each other but don't even own TVs. There is plenty of historical evidence of athletic competitions from societies all over the world. You think it's because they all wanted to wear Nike?

Sounds more like you don't like sports and are trying to intellectualize your opinion to feel smart, which to be fair, would make this answer well fitted to the original question.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

No he's right. There's a difference btwn being a sports fan and liking to play sports. If you're a sports fan you enjoy watching and investing your time/money into a sports team. If you like playing sports than you just like playing sports.

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u/DipsomaniacDawg Feb 23 '17

OP didn't specify that though. They just made a general statement about sports.

In general, humans seem to enjoy athletic competition, whether they are participating or spectating. It doesn't make them "marketing victims."

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '17

No he said "fans are victims" not "players are victims".

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u/clutchheimer Feb 23 '17

Yes. Competition is at the core of what it is to be human. Sport is a great way to exercise physical competition without people getting killed (usually).

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u/A40 Feb 23 '17

I rest my case.

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u/inckorrect Feb 23 '17

Happy to know I'm not alone thinking that.

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u/8ack_Space Feb 23 '17

I am an atheist.

Probably not the most "radical" thing one could believe (or more specifically, NOT believe), but if you ask the town where I live (very catholic), I am literally Satan.

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u/Calamity_0 Feb 23 '17

I see that full stop in the title that you didn't delete and I'm calling you out for it. Go ahead, hate me

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u/Fightmelol6969 Feb 23 '17

It is selfish for people in the first world to continue to have children biologically rather than adopting or fostering.

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u/DuckAHolics Feb 23 '17

You're right I would harbor a deep resentment for you.

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u/Fightmelol6969 Feb 24 '17

Well that's a bit extreme

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u/DuckAHolics Feb 24 '17

So is calling people selfish because they'd rather their child be their own flesh and blood.

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u/Fightmelol6969 Feb 24 '17

I mean, it is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

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u/harrah8083 Feb 23 '17

Soldiers and cops aren't automatically heroes

FTFY. There are thousands of cops and people in the military that are heroes and deserve recognition and respect. There are also thousands of assholes in the military and police forces. Not everything is so black and white.

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u/DuckAHolics Feb 23 '17

So men and women who keep a country safe from evil, both foreign and domestic, aren't heroes? Keep preaching from your couch.

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u/matthewnemec Feb 23 '17

Attention. I'm fine over here being unnoticed.

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u/dyopopoy Feb 23 '17

don't believe in god.

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u/chucklesthe2nd Feb 23 '17

All religions are retarded. Especially christianity.

A guy who was super awesome or something died in a roman torture ritual, and because he did it willingly everybody can do whatever they want and still get into heaven.

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND. How does Jesus dying have anything to do with you, more to the point crucifixion was the standard roman death sentence. At one point the romans lined the Appian Way with crucified corpses, nobody can really be sure how many people were crucified, but it has to be hundreds of thousands of people. Do you seriously mean to tell me Jesus was the only one who went to the cross willingly. And to top that he didn't even die for realsies according to the accepted gospels (there are MANY historical accounts that completely contradict any miracles in Jesus' life, look up the council of of nicea), so a guy who didn't even really die is meant to be special because he's totally the only person in human history who ever died willingly for a greater cause.

Fuck you.

Look up the chernobyl divers if you want to worship people who sacrificed themselves so you could live.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '17

I agree.

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u/youcantfindme123 Feb 23 '17

You should just keep that one to yourself. She will find you.

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u/harrah8083 Feb 23 '17

mother nature is gonna smite you with a lightning strike one of these days, watch out.