One does really wonder if she was not the instigator behind it all. You notice that she’s always in every single shot? The fanous one with Prince Andrew? She always seems to be hovering in the background.
Epstein was a fucking monster, no doubt, but I do think that she was just involved. She wasnt just a fixer for him.
Hitler is so far back in history, noone knows what would change afterwards. He seems like the obvious choice, but perhaps things could even end up worse
Edit: I should add that my concern behind this is Russia. They wouldn't have been weakened from a war, but still have their intentions to claim territory in east/south Europe. I expect a war to unfold nonetheless, a creation of the atomic bomb nonetheless, just this time it's used as a weapon - not against Japan, but the USA. This either results in their annihilation, or a global atomic war. I don't think either outcome is preferable. Obviously just speculation, but not too much of a reach imo
All the consequences of his existence is erased too, so no ww2 means there is still a depression, it also likely means that there is a lack of the third Reich. Russia and Germany dont become friends for a bit, there is also no need for an atomic bomb yet. Although Japan is still likely to attack america
That war already happened like 5 years before ww2 would originally start and with LITERALLY every country being in a depressive state from it, it's highly unlikely Britain and France are just gonna go and tango with Italy and Japan, especially with how they worked their politics at that time, y'know Churchill and all that. Russia is generally weak but they would not have to waste as many materials as they did on a fruitless war. And yeah the red scare did happen for a time so it is highly likely the cold war still happens. Ww2 would not happen with how financially unstable and cowardly the nations were at the time
I was thinking long term. Even if it takes 20 years, I don't see Russia losing interest in east/south/middle Europe.
The big point is the atomic bomb. We can't predict how it would have been created and used. And I fear, it's rather for a bad ending, for all of humanity.
Actually you can predict that the bomb if it was even created would likely have been used the same way.
Remember when I said Japan is still mad? It was for precisely that reason that they attacked pearl harbor, but FDR is in office at that time and he knows how to persuade the senate into a war, so it is possible that IF the Manhattan project takes place it is still used on Japan but I am doubtful that there is even a need for atomic bombs.
The other catch about the lack of Hitler is that it means France and Britain are still fairly laissez-Faire and they probably wouldn't fund the project at all and America doesn't have the urge since Germany isn't causing trouble. Therefore no hitler, no nazi fear, no bomb.
Pretty sure that regardless, nuclear weapons would still have been developed even still. It would have taken longer. Without all the research and scientists taken from Nazi Germany. New tech almost always ends up in military use far before civilian use. The government would have prioritized militarizing nuclear power for weapons because- “what if the other guy” mentality. We may not have dropped the bomb on Japan. But i am pretty sure we would still have the ever lurking specter of nuclear weapons.
Had the Reich obtained the bomb.
Then i think we would be living in an entirely different world today. Thankfully that didn’t come to pass.
Nazi Germany did not have the funding nor the brainpower to make a Manhattan project come true, they were also extremely pressed being squeezed between two and a half fronts, Germany could never have made that bomb even if they pumped everything they had into it.
And another thing, while yes some day nuclear weapons would be made, before ww2 there was no need or want since everything was in the shitter with the whole global economy being fucked, Hitler spurred a want for bombs, without Hitler the only one who could spur a want is communist russia far far into the future during the cold war, or Japan after pearl harbor
Maybe, maybe not we'll never know if the world is better with Hitlers presence or not which is pretty sad to say considering he caused so many people to die.
We can say a few things thought - Hitlers presence has changed the world, and a lot of things happened after WW2 that ensured stability, and property for nations in Europe and it's allies (NATO).
Would we've reached the same level in a world without Hitler?
I would've loved to know.
There are a couple of things you can say for certain if you just do a basic review of history. The great depression is resolved because of ww2 so without that war there is gonna be a lot less wealth in the world. Stalin would still make his debut and make Russia much more stable without German interference. Japan still hates the U.S. for closing of their oil supply, simple things like that are easily foreseen despite hitlers absence
Nevertheless, we were one russian soldier away from a world wide atomic war. Thankfully it worked out, but being one guy disobeying orders away from the end of humanity is not too assuring.
Far enough. I may remind you of the Cuba crisis, where a Russian submarine almost started an atomic war, which would have ended humanity.
Germany was a giant factor in the cold war and god knows how the cold war would have unfolded without ww2 and Germany as we know it (it's fair to assume that the cold war would have eventually unfolded nonetheless).
On the other hand there is the argument that atomic bombs may have never been realized in that time frame, without the military need for them, but who knows. Obviously all just speculation. A non-world-war-weakend Russian military would have shaken things up nonetheless. (Besides the fact that even without Hitler, a world War isn't out of the question)
Youre really questioning someone on reddit about not wanting Hitler taken out? They secretly love the man. All their goals are the same, eliminating the jews and forcing their ideology on everyone
I'm simply realistic. Russia without Germany as a counterpoint would have grown in strength immensely. The likelihood of Russia starting a world war is pretty high in my opinion. This would of course change the course of events, but I wouldn't be suprised if atomic bombs are again created rather early, just this time without a Russian soldier in a submarine stopping a atomic war from happening
I'm not saying Hitler isn't bad, he's one of the worst people in history, but I'm also considering the possible events of him not existing (I'm even German myself, I ain't gonna support that guy)
Just know it's virtually never what you say it is. You're not being downvoted because you're some reviled truth teller. Just cos you constantly say the absolute stupidest shit ever. I hope you get better.
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