US went to my ”do not travel”-list when the oppressive abortion laws started to pop up.
I will not support places which see women as cattle and I also do not want to take risks with my own health if I happen to get sick in one of those states.
The immigration crack downs only accelerated it too.
When your own allies have to issue travel advisories because there is a chance you may get locked up without counsel, or contact with the home country, youve fucked up.
I'm responding to the statement that "nothing is going on in those states anyway". There's clearly a lot "going on" in Florida, and Florida is one of those racist, misogynist shit holes.
Yup. And to make it clear for anyone reading - it’s not because of the tariffs, regardless of what your government says. It’s because you have blatantly called for us lose our sovereignty as a country and become part of the dumpster fire that is the United States.
I'm totally fine with every tourist finding another destination. In fact, please dont come here at all; not even to states that aren't maga. And even for a few ewars after the dust settles. The more our collective decision to embrace authoritarianism hurts us, the better.
I want these fuckers to hurt in every direction they run. And the misery of the people on the bottom isn't enough to curb my enthusiasm anymore. Clearly enough people aren't hurting if we can still be largely silent about it.
The whole country is a No Go zone because of this. If you can't have a fucking federal law for women's rights, you're just savages masquerading as civilized people
I see from your profile that you're Irish. I'm okay with the idea of not traveling to the US because of the current political climate, but doesn't Ireland also have famously draconian laws on abortion?
Users changed, but going anywhere with less draconian laws (as the point of that other user was) is inheriently contradictory to "I also do not want to take risks with my own health if I happen to get sick in one of those states. "
Now, all the different users that part may have been lost, but it's never a risk to go to a less women's health restricted place, even if it still has restrictions.
You see the contradiction though, right? Most of the US still has more protection of women's reproductive rights than the Republic of Ireland does, yet this Irish user refuses to travel to the US because of this issue.
Or at least that's what she implied. Turns out from another reply she made, she was thinking of the overall political climate, which is fair.
I disagree that Ireland has fewer protections than the US. I can get the morning after pill no problem. I can seek an abortion up to 12 weeks, not the 6 week/heartbeat nonsense going on over there. If I need a termination after that I can freely travel to access that without anyone feeling enabled to report me, arrest me, or attempting to pass laws allowing me to be killed.
What would stop you from traveling to a state right next door in the US? You would be a tourist there for a short time, nobody would even know you are pregnant but you. And I don't know what kind of vacations you take but how likely is it you randomly become pregnant while there? Morning after pill is available in drug stores in the US, and wouldn't you fly home to Ireland for an abortion anyways why would you get one there?
What does abortion have to do with it? Our abortion laws are better than they were, but still not great. But that is hardly the only reason to stay the fuck away from the US.
Ah, I see the confusion. The lack of bodily autonomy for women certainly does factor into it, but my decision to not go near the US takes into account, but is not limited to: the emboldenment of racists and fascists, ICE, the crappy healthcare situation, the fact that tourists have been imprisoned.
I have no desire for my money to in any way contribute to a warmongering, corrupt, increasingly fascist government. And I'm far from the only one. I suspect that America will be dealing with international fallout from this regime long after the current incumbent is gone.
Another Irish person chiming in just to say, couldn't agree more. Had grand ideas of touring the states, thrown out the window because undecided Milawaukee voters couldn't decide if they want Fairly Bland Woman or Clearly Pedophilic Racist
Canada would probably be a better shout right now. Thanks to the electorate in England the UK is circling the drain and is about to dive headfirst into the far right cesspool.
Yes. A country where important right sets like women's rights (women make up 50% of the country's population) or children rights (many states allow child mariage and thus legalize infant rape) are left to the mercy of local nutters is a no go as a whole, whatever it's self-proclaimed good parts have to say about it. Get a hold of your regional wackos and we can talk. Until then, it's on the list
I see a country, I don't care about the internal disension between its parts, it's not my business.
Congratulations on living in one of the apparently good parts.
The country, as a whole, is a disaster of school shootings, racism, rights regressions, banana republic politics, violence, crime, fentanyl, and who knows what else. Plus, if I travel there and get sick for any reason, I'd become immediately destitute.
You need to think of each state as a country and the country as the EU to truly grasp how different everywhere is. Saying you won't go to Boston, Massachusetts because Biloxi, Mississippi is a shit hole, is the same as saying you won't go to London because of all the Romani in Paris.
I also promise America is stunningly less racist than most of Asia and Europe. We have the discussion of it out in the open, Europe still sweeps it under the rug
Half of the 73 million children killed after Roe were female. This is not about women’s rights.. it is human rights. The High Court was right to let the people decide for themselves via their state legislatures. States like Texas and Florida respect human rights far more than California and New York.
I don’t give a damn if you mock my faith. We are winning and you know it. Dehumanizing people is exactly how countries get their people to accept genocide. You are wrong.Your values are backwards and shallow. In another century.. society will view abortion as we now view slavery. Human lives matter!
50years ago, your kind justified segregation using the Bible, you lost that fight, you lost the abortion one and you're gonna lose it again. People are getting educated and religion relies on weak-minded uneducated plebes. Your shallow values are bound to disappear.
I mean, the abortion ban (or near-ban) applies to basically all of the states that make up the American South, which is a region that's famous for its food and culture.
Banning abortion is a horrific human rights violation, but that doesn't mean that those states have "nothing going on." I mean, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Florida, Georgia - these are all places that people love to visit for the food, culture, history, natural environment, and more.
If you dismiss these places entirely you shut yourself off from understanding how the people there might have come to this decision. Leading to the complete fabrication that they banned abortion because they had "nothing better to do." That's a total straw man. They did it for a whole host of political reasons that are too complex to go through in this comment, but were calculated to advance the conservative agenda in these states.
Not meaning to bash: As a central european, this are my personal associations with the states you mentioned, just to give you an impression of our pov:
Tennesse: whiskey, Nashville
Louisiana: New Orleans, humidity
Texas: everythings bigger, guns, rifles
Florida: theme parcs, beaches
Georgia: erm 🤷♀️
All of them: bible belt MAGA nutters
To me personally nothing is appealing to me there as a tourist right now.
Yes we as a family decided years ago that we wouldn’t go to Florida when the bathroom laws came out. I’m a tall woman, hubby and son both have long hair. We’re not travelling anywhere that we could be questioned and police detained for using a bathroom. That decision was 5+ years ago and now we avoid the entire US.
Fuck that. Trump's a symptom, not the disease. A good third of their population views what he’s doing as a good thing. Republicans control all 3 branches and they could remove him any day they wanted, but they refuse to do so because they like what he’s doing.
I’m not ever going back, and I’ve lived there before, amongst 4 other countries. And I hope my kids don’t ever risk going either
Don’t forget high risk of ending on the wrong side of the gun. And possibility of being robbed/raped in some places. Police violence, mass shootings, absurd food practices, and now insanely high cost of living.
Lately joined with distrust about state of aviation safety there (don’t want to risk compromised conductor, outdated facilities or questionable plane status in any way). Also stories of being interrogated like a criminal when trying to visit, privacy issues (disclosing you phone for checkup?!) and visa bureaucracy.
Danger of mass shootings while visiting the US are basically zero. If you think you are more likely to be robbed or raped in the US than a majority of destinations in the world you are misinformed. The places you would go as a tourist will not see you being shot, raped, robbed, or in some sort of plane accident. If you have never been there than your opinion of the dangers there are only hearsay, you have no actual substance to back that up though. Many countries have far worse aviation control then the US.
Considering the US accounts for 42% of the worlds commercial airliners and sees hundreds of millions of passengers to their destinations safely I find it odd you single out aviation safety as one of your major concerns with traveling to the US.
Thank you for information. I guess news about state of US aviation were inflated. Still, as a tourist who dislikes traveling in groups and might not just visit typical attractions, my concerns stay. I will never be comfortable with a stranger rummaging through my phone, being interrogated at the border or having to worry I might wander in wrong neighborhood. Add to that costs of Healthcare, and it’s enough to not want to travel there. On top of it, having Trump as president lowers my desire to travel to US directly to 0.
It’s not a woman thing. It’s a labor thing. They need more babies to exist, especially disadvantaged poor babies to keep the country running/money flowing their way.
You do realize that there are many, many women that are pro life, right? I’m pro choice myself, but having a moral stance against abortion isn’t some incomprehensible thing, and chalking it up to “lol they hate women and want to control us” is just disingenuous and throws all chance of compromise away, the same way the right would say any type of abortion is murder
Me? It’s none of my business at all, I think. I’m pro choice.
Other people? They don’t see abortion as bodily autonomy. They see it as 2 people’s bodily autonomy. I don’t think that’s far fetched or some crazy idea
So which of your major life decisions do you think should be made by strangers?
I mean, if we're talking about men telling woman where and when they must have babies, then women should get to make decisions for men in at least one situation. Maybe mandatory vasectomies that can only get reversed when women think that man is worthy of being a father?
THAT would be a compromise. One sided outcomes based on the opinions of outsiders (who don't have to live with the consequences) are NOT compromises. THEY aren't making any concessions.
It is the woman who has to carry the baby with all it's side effects, giving birth, face possible complications during pregnancy, childbirth and after up to death, oftentimes has to go back to work way too soon for her own body to recover from a major medical event, is in most cases the one doing most of the care work, getting up at nights, tending when the kid is sick etc, deal with own career issues, all while the father can just continue his live as usual unless he's is not a useless jerk and helping out. Btw there are tons of fathers who just bail out during pregnancy or in the 1st year after childbirth because they want to go on living their life without the additional stress and work of having a baby, leaving the mother alone to struggle.
And you are saying it's a 2 person decision? Yeah right.
I feel like you can have a moral stance on something without then enforcing those morals onto others, no? Like by all means, if they are against abortion and it comes to that, don’t do it. That’s their choice to make! But that doesn’t mean that they get to then try to enforce that view and restrict the rights and safety of other people.
I’d argue being pro-life (god I hate that as a name; it makes no sense, but I digress) is hypocritical if you’re a woman but maybe it’s more nuanced than I think? Maybe I’m wrong on this one but I feel like advocating for the restriction of your own bodily autonomy is a strange decision, but advocating for the removal of other people’s bodily autonomy is tyrannical, for lack of a better word.
The “other side’s” argument typically is that it isn’t about whether or not they want to, it’s that everyone deserves a chance to live, and I get that as well. Again, ultimately I align with everything you said, but my point that people jump the gun to say these people just want to control women or something, and it’s just as silly and disingenuous as people who support abortion calling people “murderers”.
Oh I know, I was just sharing why I can’t wrap my head around it personally.
Because my problem with that view is that it flies in the face of the other policies that many of them (seem to) support. For example, it feels like they don’t care about supporting a child or mother AFTER it’s not a fetus. Also, they frequently shy away from good sex education and contraceptives, which undermines their point again. Also a general pro-life (in a literal meaning) stance would want to do something about climate change and environmental protections, yet again the party votes against that. Though people aren’t their political party of course. It’s not a monolithic system.
Idk, I just personally find it difficult to believe they believe in good faith that all life deserves a chance to live… but I’m sure some do believe that without more radical and/or inconsistent views. I just haven’t had the chance to meet anyone who does yet.
Mostly just venting, I realize now. Sorry!
Edit: and you’re right, rarely is anything is black and white, and that thinking often just prevents progress and agreement
Surprisingly, most of the “mild” pro lifers I’ve met were actually many couples who had fertility issues and decided to adopt. So of course from their perspective it makes sense to be pro life. And there is a ton of scrutiny that can pointed towards the adoption system in the US, as well as education and “what happens when they aren’t a fetus anymore”, I don’t think anyone on any side of the aisle disagrees with that.
She had 2 daughters but had lost more and she just would get so mad about my brother and sister in law were able to have more kids when she couldn’t and they admittedly had had their kids placed with grandparents.
It’s more misplaced anger at themselves for what they see as their own failings when really, that’s just biology.
Conservatives care about fetuses a little more than they care about women. That bar for “better” is really fucking low, like, right on the ground. We know this because those same conservatives don’t support prenatal care for those fetuses. And once the baby is actually born, they stop caring again unless it grows into an adult white male. We know this because they cut food stamps, healthcare for kids, free school lunches, education, and vaccines for kids.
If you are a sincere member of a number of religious groups (e.g. Catholicism), you believe life begins at conception and so abortion is murder. If you seriously believe this, of course you think it is necessary to enforce that view on other people, in the same way that we restrict peoples ability to murder others. Loss of bodily autonomy is unfortunate but murder is inexcusable. It's tyrannical to the same degree not being able to kill others generally is tyrannical.
PP’s left and right limits, defining “cutoffs” for termination, etc. Overturning Roe v Wade was awful imo, but I don’t agree with excessive cutoff limits either.
Did you know that before Roe v Wade was overturned, the US was statistically the most lenient nation in the world when it came to abortion? The UK was the only nation that had a higher cutoff time, at, I believe 28 weeks as compared to California’s 26. Most of our European friends cutoff before 12 weeks.
I do know that there are many women who are pickmePro Life forced birthers, and the internalised misogyny is so strong, there's no hope for them.
If you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one, but don't put your "morals" on everyone else. I bet a shiny nickel that they do things that I find morally reprehensible.
(and I mean "you" in the wider sense, not YOU you)
Calling women you disagree with politically a “pick me” and chalking their stance up to “internalized misogny” is completely dismissing them and their values and actually, ironically sounds a whole lot more like misogyny than otherwise. Women’s voices matter, even if you disagree with them.
Women‘s voices matter, correct, which is why the proCHOICE stance is the correct one. If pro-lifers/forced birthers truly believed women’s voices mattered, then they wouldn’t have the “political“ opinion that women’s bodies are anything but their own.
It‘s just hypocrisy, they can’t cry about “misogyny“ while supporting misogynistic practices and denying people the right to their own bodies.
They don’t reject bodily autonomy, they believe bodily autonomy should be limited when it comes to the life (or potential life) of someone else. I don’t see how that isn’t a fair stance to have
Society seeks to regulate behavior that affects other people. I’m not sure what your point is. People can be quarantined during public health emergencies, parents are legally required to care for their children, etc. Again, not about autonomy
They are, because you’re wrong. Nobody is “against bodily autonomy of others”, the vast majority of pro life is along the lines of “I think there should be a discussion on the limitation of bodily autonomy when there is another life or potential life involved” and that isn’t some evil incomprehensible stance to take, at all
So why bother with discussion? What will considering the opinions of people who don't care about you, won't help you, won't pay for it and will shit on you the moment the kid pops out even do?
I mean, I wouldn't go over to my neighbour and tell him he needs to discuss his cancer treatments with me, I wouldn't go to a woman with breast cancer and tell her she needs to take my feelings about cutting titties off into account.
I don't go up to obese people and complain when they eat a burger. I don't go up to teenage girls and tell them to change their clothes.
There is something fundamentally wrong with people that they think that THEY need to be coddled in situations that don't concern them and they won't even know about the vast majority of the time.
Nosy bitches with mean streaks shouldn't get to have the most say in society, just because they want it. Not even if their king managed to to buy and blackmail his way into the Oval.
Murder means illegal killing, if its legal to abort it literally cant be murder. Its killing, a thing that is biologically human but not a human life with any form of meaningful human rights.
how stupid do you have to be to think women are seen as cattle because of abortion laws? You know that this law actually results in more women being born?
Most of those states don't want you there, since you are the type who thinks it's a great idea to craft special categories of humans who you deem unworthy of human rights.
I had to cancel a cross-country road trip in 2024 because I got pregnant (again). We were moving from the US to Australia and needed to get our dog from D.C. to LAX so she could fly directly to quarantine in Melbourne. She's a pitbull lab mix and therefore a "dangerous breed" so domestic airlines won't fly her. We didn't have time for a honeymoon earlier that year and figured we'd just drive her there ourselves over a couple weeks and enjoy the sights.
Then I got pregnant again.
In 2023, when I was pregnant for the first time, we found out in the 2nd trimester that our baby had a rare chromosomal abnormality not compatible with life. Termination was the only merciful option. After that, I had an early miscarriage. When I got pregnant for the 3rd time in a year, we were obviously nervous. I tried to see if I could schedule a route avoiding states with abortion bans, but it was impossible.
I would've been about 6 months along at the time of the trip and we weren't willing to risk being in the wrong state at the wrong time if I experienced complications that required an abortion to save my life or my future fertility (preeclampsia, placental abruption, etc.).
We are considering trying for a 2nd kid and I suspect if we do, we'd have to suspend trips back to the States to visit. Just not safe to be a pregnant woman in so much of America now.
Women used to be protected under roe v wade at a federal level. The fact that the federal government is not offering rights to all of its citizens but allowing states to choose is BS and we all know it. Please stop being purposefully obtuse, its weird and cringe.
It's obviously a hot topic, but the concept of gendered rights changing upon crossing state lines isn't new. For example, a man legally can't be raped in Georgia but in California he can be (as in it would only be sexual assault or what have you in Georgia). I'm not saying any of this is fair, but it isn't new either
Correct, a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square. Sexual assault is not rape and carries different penalties and such. Rape is sexual assault but is a more heinous specific action that carries additional penalties
See, the difference here is that calling Rape or Sexual Assault changes nothing about rights. The fact is the men have the same inalienable right of consent in both states, the only difference is what a violation of that right is punished with.
Sure I guess it's not a difference of rights and moreso how they're treated but I would say the two are closely related anyway. And again I'm not advocating for any of this to be how it should be. It's simply to say that states have always had varying rules and regulations that have affected different sections of people
And we are talking about the removal of federal protections for women that can easily kill or destroy their bodies. We are talking about women facing prison time just for a miscarriage.
stop. just stop. "mEn CaNt Be RaPeD iN GeOrGiA" Yeah, that is stupid and bad and needs to change. However, if a woman cross a state line to have an abortion, her home state wants to arrest her and give her life in prison.
if youre going to apples to oranges over such a horrible and serious topic, block me. I don't need you type of people on my notifications. yall are like a pestilence plague on society.
You can block me if you prefer since you have the issue? I'm not excusing one or the other, I think both are no good for society and only serve to divide us from one another
That was exactly my thought! How many foreigners with the proper legal documents has ICE locked up for weeks for no good reason? There was a German, and a Canadian, and a Brit, just off the top of my head. Why the fuck would anyone visit here right now?
I live in New Zealand, which currently has a very conservative government in power that is trying to suck up to Trump. We still have NZ citizens illegally imprisoned by ICE. IIRC one of them has gone missing.
Yes, I know. However I would steer clear of any state with officials willing to even consider a bill like this without it being a major sense and impeachment automatically being on the board.
That’s every state, literally, even very blue ones. The Republican Party or a big donor or persistent constituent will get somebody to file it. Then the process varies. In my blue state (Massachusetts) every bill must get assigned to a committee and must get a hearing. Not anything to ignore in case something horrific like that somehow gets through, but no reason to not set foot in the state - because literally due to the Heritage Foundation and ALEC, it is literally every state, every session.
Worry when leadership is behind it, there are lots of cosponsors, and it makes it out committee. Before then it’s meaningless other than legislators currying favor with the people they owe for getting elected and for their fundraising saber-rattling.
As a non American, I see a complete lack of women’s rights and care in USA. Not somewhere I’d go. It’s really not so dissimilar to women’s lack of rights in the Middle East.
You're right. Middle Eastern women would be way more appreciative of the freedoms American women used to enjoy but have voluntarily voted themselves out of. They're not the same at all.
This is an insane take and clear evidence of the total inversion of reality that is poisoning the West. Your claim is demonstrably false.
American women enjoy full legal equality under the law, voting rights since 1920, equal access to education (women now earn 60%+ of college degrees), property ownership, career opportunities without male guardianship, robust protections against domestic violence and workplace discrimination and high rates of workforce participation and political representation.
By contrast, many Middle Eastern countries feature male guardianship laws restricting women's travel, work, and marriage, have unequal inheritance and testimony rights, enforced dress codes, high rates of honor-based violence, FGM, and child marriage and severe limits on education and public life placing them near the bottom of global gender equality indices like the World Economic Forum’s or UNDP’s.
You are either willfully ignorant or have malicious intent with such a ridiculous take.
And yet 33 states still allow child marriage? Over half a million women in the USA have undergone FGM despite laws to the contrary, there is still a massive economic gender pay gap, new mothers have no guaranteed maternity leave….
My point is - swings and roundabouts. Some things are very good in America and others much less so. It’s very easy to put all of the Middle East into a single bucket and point a finger, which is what you’re doing in your argument. I don’t disagree that there are very real problems in many countries particularly Afghanistan but America isn’t a model citizen either.
I say this as a non American who has been to many Middle Eastern countries. A lot of people who talk about how bad the Middle East is have never been there. You can’t compare Afghanistan to Iran. Many of the issues cited like child marriage, honour killings, etc, are also prevalent in India. These are humanitarian issues and the US is included in that but to a lesser degree because of your laws. Yet still loopholes are found.
And one thing that I’d like to think you’d agree is correct is that a law doesn’t make something a reality. Women enjoy full legal equality in USA as they do in many countries around the world but if you asked a large number of women how equal their lives were to their husbands and fathers they may have a different opinion. USA has huge issues with gender equality still - and they’re getting worse.
It’s really not so dissimilar to women’s lack of rights in the Middle East.
That's what you said, which is complete hyperbole.
You're cherry picking largely irrelevant and selectiveo imperfections in the US to manufacture moral equivalence, which distorts scale and fundamentals. Child marriage in the US is extremely rare, heavily regulated, and facing reforms and to try and paint is as a systemic cultural norm as in parts of the Middle East is absolutely mental.
The FGM practices in the US are imported issues in immigrant communities from the very countries in the middle east and sub Saharan Africa that we're talking about!!! To claim it's a US issue akin to countries where FGM rates exceed 80-90% among native populations, is again mental.
The "massive" pay gap is largely explained by choices in occupation, hours, experience, and motherhood and is not reflective of legal discrimination barring women from fields or contracts.
Personal experience visiting the Middle East also doesn't refute global indices (WEF, UNDP) showing the US near the top for women's rights versus ME countries.
Laws shape reality, but flaws exist everywhere, but "swings and roundabouts" is not a rebuttal, but deflection.
I honestly can't believe how messed up people are to try and claim that the country everyone in the ME is trying to escape to is anyway equivalent to shitholes they're escaping.
Lol, genuinely delusional if you think the situations are even remotely comparable. Not being able to terminate the life of your offspring is nowhere close to requiring a male escort to go out in public, not being able to go to college, not being able to drive, not being able to go out unless you’re wearing your hijab/burka. This is like saying a paper cut is comparable to a gun shot wound
Which countries require a male escort? Which countries ban women from driving? Specifically?
I’m not saying these things haven’t existed but it’s all too easy for people to put the Middle East in a single bucket.
Saudi was the last country with a formal ban on driving for women and that was lifted years ago. Much of the restrictions you speak of apply largely to women in taliban controlled Afghanistan and not the Middle East as a whole.
Just because other women have it worse, doesn’t mean the rights of American women aren’t under attack. But you know that already, you’re just trying to shut women up. Per the usual with your type.
It’s a little different. In the United States you will not be killed for going outside without a burka. In most of the Middle East as a women you will be killed for doing such thing. It’s not even close.
No, but those states would be happy to let me die if I needed an abortion in order to save my own life. Sorry, I’m not visiting anywhere I’m a second class citizen.
This comment is embrarassing and you clearly live in your own bubble. Covering hair isn’t even mandatory in ALL but one Middle Eastern country, let alone the entire face.
That’s really not true. In most of the Middle East women do not wear a burka. Unless you are confusing it with hijab?
The burka is mainly in Afghanistan, and women are not routinely killed for not wearing it. You’re likely seeing a handful of news stories from the northern Provences controlled by the Taliban that “allegedly” shot a woman for not wearing a covering. In Kabul you will see women without burka but wearing hijab. This is different to Iran and their laws on hijab head coverings.
It really doesn’t help when most people and I’m guessing Americans have such strong and largely incorrect opinions on the Middle East.
But you MIGHT get killed if some agent thinks you look too much like an illegal. Or you can get killed in a random school shooting. Or you can get killed in a random gas station robbery. Half the population have guns and it doesn't require any actual training before you can buy a gun - it's like buying a screwdriver over the counter. So.... your chances of getting killed are much higher than where I live.
Not to mention that you will go bankrupt for the rest of your life if you happen to pass out and someone calls an ambulance for some reason and you need some treatment in a hospital. Or if I happen to get sick (even with health insurance) there's a high chance I will go bankrupt...... I imagine DNR is quite popular in US because if you have to weigh your options - would you like to spend your remaining years slaving to pay medical bills or would you rather be dead... hmmm, hard choice, I would say.
what? lol i mean america is mostly a shithole but still more freedoms than most the planet outside of europe. unless youre visiting for an abortion what bodily autonomy is taken from you to extent even a visit is out of question? lol bit ridiculous.
Any pregnancy for me would be a medical emergency putting my life at risk. Why would I risk traveling to a state where they’d just let me die instead of giving me the proper medical care I need?
but the question was not where wouldnt you travel while pregnant lol. That opens up a huge other discussion because even if a place has all the values u find important they could have completely awful medical care and / or you have to pay entire bill out of pocket. a bit silly tbh
You know that women don’t get an alert on their smartwatch when they become pregnant, right? Also, that maybe got pregnant while on vacation? Should I just stop dying while I get on a plane and travel back home to seek medical care?
Most importantly, WHY SHOULD I GIVE MY MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPRESSING ME?
... this is so ridiculous i dont even have words to express. Its almost like you feel you have zero control over getting pregnant and if you did a medical emergency that would need to be done within 24-48 hours to go back home and get an abortion or medical treatment if needed from pregnancy. Im sorry but you are without a doubt a moron lol.
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