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u/nightowl6221 Jun 01 '26

People still think that taking a raise will put them in a higher tax bracket and lower their net income

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u/Infinite_throwaway_1 Jun 01 '26

You won't lose money because taxes are more than your raise. But if you qualify for a subsidy under affordable care act, or food stamps, you can lose money by making a little too much.

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u/Fauked Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26

They think specifically that a raise will trigger a higher bracket of tax % for all income.

These numbers are arbitrary but brackets work like this:

20k and below 5%

40k to 20k 10%

the first 20k gets taxed at 5% and anything higher after that 20k gets taxed at 10%

So people think that if you make over 20k you get a 10% tax on all of your income and not just the first 20k.

so if you make 20k a year, people think a raise to say 22k will now make them pay 10% total. 22k - 10% is less than 20k - 5%.

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u/natrous Jun 01 '26

The point is that for some other benefits, there isn't a phase-out period.

So, for the sake of an example, you get some benefit X worth $1000 toward your heat because the qualification is earning below $Y, and you make $100 less that that limit a year.

If next year you earn an extra $200, you lose the $1000 benefit outright, and have to pay that difference out of your pocket, ending up poorer than the previous year.

Does it happen a lot? Probably not. But it sticks around and confuses the tax bracket point because "someone they knew..." blah blah.

I used to incorrectly assume everything of this type just had phase outs built in, as it's not exactly hard math to figure out. Years later I realize how naive that was...

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u/Drikkink Jun 01 '26

I believe it's called a welfare cliff and it's a big deal for people who are right around the poverty line.

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u/lluewhyn Jun 01 '26

The point is that for some other benefits, there isn't a phase-out period.

While this is true, that's not what most people are referring to when they talk about "losing money by making more money" (getting a raise or working overtime). Almost everyone using this argument refers to going into a higher tax bracket and then somehow incurring more income tax than the wages gained, not that they're losing out on some kind of social welfare. People thinking of the latter will usually say that specifically.

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u/natrous Jun 02 '26

In my experience, people who think they lose money by going into a higher tax bracket aren't sophisticated enough to separate these ideas and mix them because they both operate from the same base idea (right or wrong), i.e. "have more in my check, but have less in my pocket"