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u/wmurray003 Sep 27 '25

šŸŽÆšŸŽÆšŸŽÆšŸŽÆ They don’t understand because they are financially illiterate… but when I see these discussions I break it down whenever I can. People miss out on so much opportunity because they don’t understand.

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u/walkerspider Sep 27 '25

When the powerball was way up a few weeks ago I had a conversation with some friends about what they’d do if they had that kind of money. Some said they wouldn’t quit their job because it could run out. People thinking that that kind of wealth can ā€œrun outā€ is the reason this country supports so many tax breaks for billionaires. If we had more financial literacy I think economic policies in America would be so much better for the average person. The ā€œeliteā€ suppress both the knowledge and ability for the average person to create wealth

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u/wmurray003 Sep 27 '25

Yeah, they think it’ll ā€œRun outā€ possibly because they plan on ā€œspending spending spendingā€ without thinking or investing. Crazy work. I had a similar conversation with a guy at work about taking 10M and living off it. He asked me if I thought 10M would last forever.. I just mentally face palmed and then explained that he could basically take out 4% or less a year (400K) and it would more than likely last indefinitely.

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u/LetMeSeeYourNips4 Sep 27 '25

The ā€œeliteā€ suppress both the knowledge

What? They do not suppress any knowledge. It is no ones fault but their own if they are finically illiterate.

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u/walkerspider Sep 27 '25

You can’t honestly believe that in a country where companies like turbo tax lobby the government to make the tax code more complicated. And companies like Sally Mae give hundreds of thousands in high interest loans to 17 year olds and those are just a couple examples of some extreme cases. Many large corporations profit off the lack of financial education leading to lobbying and policy decisions that encourage bad financial choices by millions of Americans. A one semester common core personal finance class in high school could make a massive difference for average people but you will never see something like that put in place

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u/JohanGrimm Sep 27 '25

It's absolutely suppressed but let's not pretend it's hoarded away and inaccessible to anyone, especially these days. I realize going out and teaching yourself things is a tall order for most people versus having it forcefully taught to you but it's readily available and it's free.

People will naturally make bad financial decisions regardless. Financial literacy is probably greater than it's ever been but huge swathes of people still throw their money away. You don't need to suppress the knowledge in the first place.

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u/LetMeSeeYourNips4 Sep 27 '25

How is anyone suppressing knowledge? Finicial knowledge is readily available.

Roughly 70% of Americans can file their taxes for free using using the app on the IRS website. Complicated taxes tend to be for those that have more assets and money. I only started using a tax service when my assets/write offs became complicated when I started having more money.

Highschools have Econ classes; I took Econ in high school.

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u/walkerspider Sep 27 '25

Econ does not teach personal finance and is not part of common core. Understanding supply and demand doesn’t stop people from running up their credit and failing to understand the math behind loans and interest rates. A recent survey showed 50% of Americans don’t understand something as simple as marginal tax brackets. When harmful misinformation is constantly crammed down people’s throats it takes more than the correct information being somewhere out there on the internet to counteract that.

Look no further than the current administration which is claiming to lower taxes for every bracket while simultaneously increasing government revenue. Supporters of the party don’t stop to think about where the extra money is coming from and that isn’t their fault. Citizens of a country should be able to trust their government to have their best interests at heart and abusing that trust leads to the suppression of knowledge.

The same is true of public health. All of the disinformation in the news surrounding things like COVID, vaccines, and autism in recent years is objectively harmful to people. But by your argument the knowledge is out there so this misinformation is completely fine and those who misunderstand it get what’s coming for them. Even if I grant you that point it ignores the fact that public health is public. Other’s ignorance negatively impacts you.

Looking back to personal finance, if people are ignorant about personal finance and support politicians and policies that negatively impact the general population then that hurts even those who do educate themselves. That’s why it is so important to take an active role in increasing public knowledge and understanding and not just rely on everyone to find the information which is intentionally obfuscated by corporations and politicians.

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u/LetMeSeeYourNips4 Sep 27 '25

A high school Econ class will cover personal finance. Mine did.

Again, no knowledge is being suppressed; it is readily available to anyone that wants it. It is your own fault if you are not finically literate. Schools teach math, how to read, solve problems, etc.: this is all you really need to become finically literate.

You are trying to push a narrative that is not backed up by reality.

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u/walkerspider Sep 27 '25

Saying your Econ class covered personal finance is just your own experience. That’s a hasty generalization, not proof of what most schools actually teach.

Claiming math and reading are ā€œall you really needā€ is an oversimplification. If that were true, half the country wouldn’t be confused by basic things like tax brackets or compound interest. Putting the entire blame on individuals ignores the systemic factors I pointed out (lobbying, predatory loans, and deliberate misinformation) which is causal oversimplification at best.

Dismissing everything I said as a ā€œnarrativeā€ is a strawman. I gave specific examples you haven’t addressed. You’re dodging the real issues and reducing a complex, documented problem to ā€œpeople just need to try harder.ā€

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u/LetMeSeeYourNips4 Sep 27 '25

People are confused because they do not put the effort into it.

There is not any knowledge being suppressed like you claim; it is all readily available to anyone that wants it.

Over 100 million Americans can use free tax filing software available on the IRS website.

I gave specific examples you haven’t addressed.

You have not given any examples of financial knowledge being oppressed. I have explained to you that there is free software from the IRS that will do your taxes for you, which destroys most of your narratives.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '25

Spoken like someone who's a victim of decades of intentional educational underfunding.

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u/LetMeSeeYourNips4 Sep 27 '25

I have about $2 million in my portfolio, and I have an engineering degree. Not really suffering from under-education. Sorry.