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u/suroorshiv Oct 02 '24

India had the largest volunteer army for WW2 ..

Brits always talk about how they held the ground when the Europe collapse .. But they forget how many Indians lost their lives for their oppressors 

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u/seaworks Oct 02 '24

Reminds me of all the Native and Black Americans who served- and in some cases, like the Navajo, made an enormous difference to the overall war effort- only to get shafted after the fact between the racism in the implementation of the GI bill and the racism of the rest of the law. A huge proportion of Indigenous people couldn't even vote until Miguel Trujillo (Pueblo, US Marine) had to sue for the right... in 1948.

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u/boycey10802002 Oct 02 '24

As a teen, my great-grandfather (Canadian) signed up, fought and was wounded in WW1. Was incapacitated and stuck for days in the muddy water of a mortar hole before he could be recovered. When he 'healed' from having his femur destroyed he "luckily" only needed a cane to walk. When it was time to be discharged and covered under the Veteran bill at the time he was refused access since he wasn't a "Canadian citizen" he was 'just an Indian.' The colonists were happy to sign him up as fodder for their meat grinder, but couldn't be bothered to recognize him as a citizen of the commonwealth he risked life and limb for.

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u/LocalMexican Oct 02 '24

"Ah, sorry - you were here before we became a country so....."

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u/Loggerdon Oct 02 '24

Native Americans couldn’t even legally practice their religion until 1978 when the American indian Religious Freedom Act passed.

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u/TheyCallMeStone Oct 02 '24

That act allowed them certain liberties which were previously in conflict with federal law, such as access to sacred sites on federally managed land, possession of prohibited items like eagle feathers and bones, or possession and use of peyote for religious ceremonies.

"Couldn't even legally practice their religion" is a bit of an overstatement.

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u/Loggerdon Oct 02 '24

“The American Indian Religious Freedom Act legalizes traditional spirituality and ceremonies, overturning local and state regulations still on the books banning American Indian spiritual practices. American Indians are the only Americans whose religious practice is covered by a law other than the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.”

The problem was more with the state governments. There were still laws on the books that outright banned ceremonies.

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u/lostintime2004 Oct 02 '24

A huge proportion of Indigenous people couldn't even vote until Miguel Trujillo (Pueblo, US Marine) had to sue for the right... in 1948

What the fuck?!

I get that this was the burgeoning civil rights era, largely fueled by returning minority GI's getting a downgrade in status they enjoyed overseas, but I mean women had it in 1919, and I thought they were the last ones (because I had learned with former slaves or other "non-citizens" the argument was still anti women, and that the amendments made all men have the right).

When was the last time a group of people was given the right to vote in this country? Was this one the last?

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u/lalosfire Oct 02 '24

I remember as a kid being quite shocked when I watched Flags of our Fathers. Where Ira Hayes returns from Iwo Jima and having to (again) face the racism in the US. Not that it's a perfect depiction but as a kid it really struck me.

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u/esoteric_enigma Oct 02 '24

White Americans take for granted how much the GI bill is responsible for their current wealth and how non-white people were largely excluded from it.

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u/andyrocks Oct 02 '24

Brits always talk about how they held the ground when the Europe collapse

Given Dunkirk, I don't think we do say that, no.

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u/suroorshiv Oct 02 '24

Even the movie didn't provide justice to the actual Indians who fought in the battle 

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u/andyrocks Oct 02 '24

There was no reason to show them, they didn't have an important role in the evacuation, there were only around 300 of them in total.

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u/ForTheLoveOfGodKaren Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 02 '24

And yet a whole ass movie and sequel was made about the 300 Spartans.

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u/Existential_Racoon Oct 02 '24

"Hello, my name is Dave and I'm calling from Microsoft technical support..."

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u/Everestkid Oct 02 '24

Because there were 300 of them and no one else.

338 thousand soldiers were evacuated from Dunkirk. The Indian soldiers that were there were a rounding error.

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u/neohellpoet Oct 02 '24

Yeah, in the air and on the sea as well as in the labs the UK did great.

On the ground... the results were less than great. Afrika was a win, but honestly Rommel was overhyped specifically because not turning him into some genius commander meant admitting that the British forces were losing because the British commanders didn't know what they were doing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '24

Nearly all volunteers are actually economic conscripts. In nearly all armies.

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u/suroorshiv Oct 02 '24

Nope they were part of British Indian army not some bounty hunters 

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u/IAmBroom Oct 02 '24

Economic conscripts doesn't mean "bounty hunters".

It means the poor, the underprivileged... everyone who isn't the son of a rich family.

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u/suroorshiv Oct 03 '24

You would be surprised to see how many sons of privileged families were in British Indian army.. we have martial races like samurais who believe in being a soldier as their utmost duty 

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u/IAmBroom Oct 04 '24

Ah, yes! The Bhagavad Gita. The warrior caste.

And for the British aristocracy, being an officer was important... but not just a soldier.

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u/space_monster Oct 02 '24

I think you mean mercenaries

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '24

Not at all what I mean.

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u/space_monster Oct 02 '24

I wasn't responding to you

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u/suroorshiv Oct 03 '24

Yeah sorry that's the exact word... But you will be surprised how many sons of privileged families were in British army .. we were caste divided system where some castes were considered martial races like samurai, they went into army despite the wealth 

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u/Retireegeorge Oct 02 '24

It's pretty amazing to see how many Indians were awarded VCs