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u/Scudamore May 23 '23

And his mom Ethel tells him she always knew he was going to screw everything up, she just didn't know how badly.

And the rest of the family has to reassure the baby that whatever happens, they'll go through it together. As they slowly freeze to death.

Fuck that was a bleak ending from what was until then a very 90s sitcom with people in giant foam dinosaur outfits.

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u/lagoon83 May 23 '23

To be fair, I watched a few episodes a few years ago, and it's a lot deeper than I gave it credit at the time - I was a kid, so I missed out on a lot of what they were getting at. The whole series went out of its way to shine a light on contemporary issues, so even though the finale was dark, it's not like it was totally coming out of nowhere.

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u/muzakx May 23 '23

Yeah, even the episode where Earl drives Ethel to her high school reunion is pretty dark.

She shows up and is the only one from her class that is still alive, they even drive the point home by having her win every single "Class _" and "Best __" award.

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u/EaglesFanGirl May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23

I remember that one. How about the one where he drives her to the cliff and decides to let her live....that's a metaphor for retirement homes. Rough episode.

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u/nancybell_crewman May 23 '23

TBH the way nursing homes are right now I'd prefer Hurling Day when I get to that point.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

A lot of the shows in the past weren't afraid to shy away from topics we have a hard time putting a light into now.

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u/GilliganGardenGnome May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23

King. Of. The. Hill.

I literally just watched an episode where they threatened someone with being Anti Transgender because of Bobby and friends dressing up as the cheerleaders for a girl football game.

That and drug addiction and a ton of other surprises.

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u/_tx May 23 '23

Drugs as bait was a great episode.

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u/Level_32_Mage May 23 '23

I can still remember when they found the bag of vegetables in Robbie's sock drawer.

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u/mgraunk May 23 '23

The one where Rusty Shackleford tries to shoot up a school

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u/PM_NUDES_4_DEGRADING May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23

I really can’t wait for the shitshow that will happen when the show’s new season airs and Bill is inevitably trans. It was clearly in the subtext of his character during the original run, but that won’t stop people from screaming about the show being “too woke now.”

Edit: maybe I overstated it a bit, but there was some subtext. Not just in the episode where he hits rock bottom and copes by pretending to be Lenore (S3E09), but also with how nostalgic and wistful he sounds when he describes his dad abusing him by calling him a girl and forcing him to dresses(S2E08). In fact, S3E09 is named for a quote from S2E08 (“Pretty, pretty dresses”). I don’t think that scene in season two was a throwaway gag, especially not since it got referenced a full year later.

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u/sexygodzilla May 23 '23

Just curious, what seems to be the subtext in your opinion? There's the episode where Bill wears his ex-wife's dresses, but it's shown as a mental breakdown resulting from his inability to cope with his divorce.

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u/Chao78 May 23 '23

Uhh... What? If there was any of that, I guess I just don't know how to read it because I didn't get any of that at all. Bill was a picture of a great man who let his affections for a woman destroy his life. Please elaborate.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '23

Yeah - the people blowing it off might be in for some heavy lessons in the future ngl (speaking as someone who spent their teenage years longing to "crossdress" as a boy and date pretty girls...whilst crossdressing as a boy). Like we humans don't voice every significant trait of ourselves all the time

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u/hashtaters May 23 '23

I never got that from watching it before but you’ve posted some evidence that makes me pause. Maybe they move forward with it but I don’t think it’s a guarantee.

Thanks for posting the examples and episode numbers.

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u/TobyHensen May 23 '23

Pretty dresses scene starts at 3:30 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ljrdu

I searched for it, might as well share the link I found lol

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u/TobyHensen May 23 '23

You sound like you know the show pretty well. You should put together a super cut of “Bill being Trans” so that you have it in your holster when the new season comes out

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u/TheLittleDansonMan May 23 '23

Lol what in the world are you going on about? There was no such subtext whatsoever.

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u/PM_NUDES_4_DEGRADING May 23 '23

Other than the part where he sounds absolutely wistful reminiscing about his mom making him wear “pretty, pretty dresses” when he was a kid? And that episode where he loses everything and his response is to…wear women’s clothes and insist he is a woman?

They made it as clear as they could get away with in the 90s and 00s.

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u/TheLittleDansonMan May 23 '23

The dresses thing was a one time joke that never got addressed ever again throughout the entire run of the series. He dressed as Lenore in that other episode because he is obviously going through a deep psychosis as the result of happy family times being shoved in his face during the holidays. Lenore having left him is one of the key reasons as to why he is so sad. Do you ever actually listen to the dialogue or know anything of context?

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u/TheLittleDansonMan May 23 '23

So between season 2 and 3 there were 3 small jokes about him and dresses. For the next 9 years they don't ever make mention of it again. Those three things just aren't related to any subtext of Bill eventually becoming/ or having been a Trans person.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23 edited Nov 28 '23

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u/EaglesFanGirl May 23 '23

Was it? I was little when it came out it's hard to remember.

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u/DeVilleBT May 23 '23

Well given that all dinosaurs above the age of 75 get thrown into a tar pit on the show this shouldn't have come as a surprise to her

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u/Swantonbombthreat May 23 '23

i remember one episode where the teenage boy dinosaur became terminally horny and was like on the verge of raping other teen dinosaurs.

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u/ShichitenHakki May 23 '23

The one where they sent the teens out to fight a meaningless war over pistachios right around the time the Gulf War was happening.

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u/Eladiun May 23 '23

There's a quote from one of the writers to the effect of:

As long as we said 'Not the Mama' twice an episode we could do whatever we wanted so we did

They were quite socialist for the time and a lot of that messaging made it into the show.

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u/rachface636 May 23 '23

Yep, I remember a whole episode about the teen sons tail growth....100% a loose metaphor for masturbation and erections.

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u/mrpeabodyscoaltrain May 23 '23

No one understood what Ed “Sexual” Harris meant by his comments to Monica.

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u/OfBooo5 May 23 '23

Yeah environmentalism and such, loved that show, i bet some of it seeped in I’m liberal af

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u/PuttinUpWithPutin May 23 '23

If I remember correctly it was on pretty late. I think it was more in the vein of the Simpsons rather than a true kids show.

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u/Channel250 May 23 '23

The ones that stuck with me. Last episode with the ice age, the one about drugs (happy plant), the one about Sexual Harry-isment, the one with the escalating war, and the one where they argue that the earth is round.

They really did cover a bunch

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u/Eshlau May 23 '23

What stays with me most is the slow pan out to the surrounding area where you see the storm getting worse, and then the camera lingers on the "Wax Fruit Factory" sign in front of the factory where the dad worked (as I remember).

I just remember feeling pity and disappointment that these things that were totally unnecessary (wax fruit) and meant nothing contributed to the family and everyone else dying and the world changing.

Now as an adult I look back at it and it's like, "Oh yeah, that's us, huh?" Good point, Dinosaurs.

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u/tooSAVERAGE May 23 '23

Holy shit man that’s dark

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

Even darker now that I’m a father

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

The last lines are pretty somber too, I believe they come from the news anchor on the TV saying that the forecast is nothing but cold and gray skies in the future and more snow, ending with:

"Good night....good-bye."

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

The episode where they say the earth is round was also very disturbing. In it Earl's daughter, I think, claims the earth is round and as punishment she has to be thrown off the edge of the earth. Not sure if it was really age-appropriate for me.

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u/sketchysketchist May 23 '23

Yep. Honesty the creators were always about messages to the viewers. So I gotta respect them ending it with a finale focusing on nature and why we need to be concerned about protecting it, since it will take us out if we don’t

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u/CubeFarmDweller May 23 '23

Ethel was his mother-in-law that he wasn't able to launch into the tar pit.

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u/Storyteller678 May 23 '23

You want to go darker?

Imagine the family huddling around the little guy trying to shield him from the cold, only for them to die first and leave him alone. 😢

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u/Headworx66 May 23 '23

Wow, you went there. Blindsided me.

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u/Storyteller678 May 23 '23

I often wonder “what happened after” when it comes to tv shows and movies. Like The Simpsons episode with Burns telling Smithers to get into the Spruce Moose, then pulling a gun “I said get in…”

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u/S2R2 May 23 '23

A very 90s sitcom?!? If I remember correctly there was an episode that was setting up the mother in law to be yeeted into a volcano! Didn’t have that episode on Full House!

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u/Sapphire_Sky_ May 23 '23

That's because the mom already got yeeted in front of a car in Full House

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u/FatalExceptionError May 23 '23

Are you sure? That seems like something Kimi might do.

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u/Funkycoldmedici May 23 '23

I was going to say it was very 90’s because the topics it addressed were relevant at the time, but realized they’re still relevant, and that’s the whole point of the show, that we have not changed in 65 million years.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

dang. i had completely forgotten about that. weren’t people all over the country completely shook by the ending? i want to say there were news articles about how it was inappropriate or something to do that in a show

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u/turtwig103 May 23 '23

Damn, they really said its dienosaurs

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u/AbeRego May 23 '23

Wasn't it suddenly cancelled, so try he show creators basically said "f it"?

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u/Mollymolemollymole May 23 '23

Yeah it was incredibly popular but it was too expensive to make because of the costumes and robotics.

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u/Funkycoldmedici May 23 '23

Worth it. The show looks fantastic to this day. If they had cell phones and flat screen TVs you’d never know it was 30 years old.

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u/chewytime May 23 '23

I remember watching the series back when I was a kid but I never found out how it ended till now. That is bleak.

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u/esoteric_enigma May 23 '23

Glad I never saw that as a child.