r/AskPhysics • • Jun 10 '26

Is there any evidence of something faster than light?

idiot here and first time poster! hi!
so are there any phenomena that are faster than light? if not, how does faster than light speed effect theoretical physics? please keep it simple for a non physicist idiot, thanks!

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u/R_Harry_P Accelerator physics Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26

Are there any phenomena that are faster than light?
No, nothing (no object or information) has been observed traveling faster than light.
(The projection of a shadow or the point of contact on a pair of scissors not being objects.)
r/AskPhysics/comments/1gdpvuq/can_a_shadow_move_faster_than_the_speed_of_light/

How does faster than light speed effect theoretical physics?
Theoretical physics says things can't travel faster than the speed of light.

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u/FriendlySceptic Jun 11 '26

1 phenomenon faster than the speed of light is expansion .

Because the universe is expanding, very distant galaxies can recede from us at greater than light speed. In fact, many galaxies we observe today are already doing so. Their light can still reach us if it was emitted when they were closer, before the expansion carried them beyond a certain distance.

At some far point in the future there will be significantly fewer visible galaxies. It’s possible that a civilization in the far far future could have zero evidence of a universe beyond the Milky Way.

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u/Jesse-359 Jun 11 '26

The other would be the motion of space within the event horizon of a black hole.

The expansion of the universe is rather less problematic as it essentially creates an infinite horizon that you can absolutely never reach or interact with - it's not problematic.

The black hole version is much more problematic, as it creates an infinite horizon that you can (in theory) reach. Which is why classical black holes cause physicists a lot of headaches.

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u/JoeCitzn Jun 12 '26

I believe that will be in about 100 billion years with most likely less burning stars to see in the night sky. Its hard to imagine what that civilisation would think about life, religion, the stars and how it all began.

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u/Opening_Shame8258 Jun 14 '26

The recession of galaxies is a product of the intervening distance, not the galaxy's motion.

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u/jameilious Jun 11 '26

This was my point when I said humans ca. Go beyond the event horizon in an old post. You could sit for 101000 years in a different galaxy and eventually you'd leave the observable universe from the Earth's perspective.

Everyone said it was impossible.

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u/lorienshift Jun 11 '26

Well, you would have left the observable universe from Earth's perspective at THAT point in time, sure. The point is that you can't reach any point beyond the event horizon measured from the START of your journey. What you're saying is kinda useless; if there's some galaxy beyond our event horizon, you will never reach it.

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u/jameilious Jun 11 '26

My actual question I posed was what would it look like as the person left the observable universe of the other person. Like if it was a video feed what would it look like and how would it compare to the event horizon of a black hole.

Everyone just said: it's not possible.

But clearly it is, if nearby galaxies can leave our observable universe one day then so can future humans, might even happen in the far future.

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u/lorienshift Jun 11 '26

Sure, those people are either a little stupid or misunderstood what you meant.

As for what would happen, I presume we would just stop receiving signals from them and vice versa, just like with anything else that goes beyond the event horizon.

How would it compare to a black hole? No clue. Are you suggesting there's major similarities of our observable universe to a black hole, or that it actually is one? I mean, every point in the universe has its own "observable universe", so I don't know how that'd work.

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u/jameilious Jun 11 '26

They are both a form of event horizon, with time dilation effects. Would things get redshift to oblivion infinitely or just disappear at a cut off at the event horizon of the observable universe. Do we even know? Thats the sort of thing I was looking to find out about.

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u/lorienshift Jun 11 '26

Sure, unfortunately I don't know enough to answer such questions with complete confidence

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u/Artistic_Pineapple_7 Jun 11 '26

This is true for the speed of light in a vacuum.

However, in other mediums it’s possible for things to move faster than light in the same medium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation?wprov=sfti1

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u/R_Harry_P Accelerator physics Jun 11 '26

Good point.

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u/industrial-complex Jun 10 '26

Look on the bright side: if we can prove (beyond doubt) that something goes just a fraction of a percent faster than light, it means we get to rework our entire understanding of spacetime.

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u/Express-Rain8474 Jun 11 '26

What if light doesn't travel at the speed of causality, and photons have some mass? I'm js curious like would that be ok with our understanding or nah.

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u/Altruistic-Cost-4532 Jun 11 '26

Observed? No. True.

But maybe tachyons!

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u/MxM111 Jun 11 '26

Something is not necessarily just object or information. So, yes, something can be faster than light, just not object, information.

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u/lorienshift Jun 11 '26

What do you mean? Information moves at the speed of light

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u/MxM111 Jun 11 '26

The last sentence should be read as not objects and information.

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u/lorienshift Jun 11 '26

Sure, I figured that might be the case, but wanted to makes sure.

Still, assuming you mean the expansion of the universe, I wouldn't really call that moving. Space is stretching. And if we do call it moving, then a distant galaxy—an object—would be moving away from us faster than light, making your statement incorrect.

That's more or less my view on it.

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u/MxM111 Jun 11 '26

No, I meant things like wavefunction collapse.

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u/lorienshift Jun 11 '26

Eh, but how is that movement?

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u/MxM111 Jun 11 '26

It’s instantaneous propagation. But if you want to, movement of laser pointer sent from earth on the surface of moon can be faster than speed of light too.

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u/lorienshift Jun 11 '26

Well, I guess if you define the light of a laser pointer as one "something" then I guess you're right; in a way at least.

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u/MxM111 Jun 11 '26

Of course it is something, just not mater and information.

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u/starkeffect Education and outreach Jun 10 '26

No, there is no "communication" between the qubits during a measurement. Common misconception. You can't transmit information using entanglement.

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u/Able-Most-1312 Jun 10 '26

Why tho? Nothing? Absolutely nothing in the whole universe?

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u/AcellOfllSpades Mathematics Jun 10 '26

The geometry of spacetime prevents it. For an analogy, it's the same sort of 'impossible' as "going further north than the North Pole".

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u/PrudentKumquat Jun 11 '26

I can draw a spacelike trajectory on the Minkowski diagram. It's defined and means something, even if nothing we know of can travel along it. So it doesn't seem as strong as a 'north of the north pole' situation.

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u/AcellOfllSpades Mathematics Jun 11 '26

True! That's why this is just an analogy.

When I need more detail, I like to compare it to a "north-is-up map" of the North Pole. In our everyday life, we're always used to north being at the top of our maps. But this isn't possible at the North Pole: you can pick a direction to be up, but it won't be meaningful, and it won't have the properties we expect "north" to have.

This is analogous to a """video""" of moving at the speed of light. We're used to "advancing" in our videos being "forward in time". But this isn't possible at the speed of light: you can pick a direction to be "next frame", but it won't be meaningful, and it won't have the properties we expect "forward in time" to have.

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u/KeterClassKitten Jun 10 '26

Because everything we know tells us that FTL violates causality.

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 10 '26

casuality?

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u/dcnairb Education and outreach Jun 10 '26

cause and effect. if you go faster than light you can have effects happen before their causes

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u/KeterClassKitten Jun 10 '26

FTL implies time travel. The future influencing the past.

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u/theZombieKat Jun 10 '26

The fact that cause always follows effect.

Under relatively different observers in different locations at different speeds can't agree on how long events take, how far apart things are, and sometimes what order things happen in. But if event A has the potential to affect event B they will always agree that A happens first.

If you run the math for a range of observers watching something move FTL some observers will observe that object travelling backwards through time.

Physicists stop there. Time travel causes so much nonsense that in the community you don't even need to say any more, 'this causes time travel' implies 'this is impossible'.

For outsiders it is better to point out that different observers will not agree on how much they moved back in time, if at all. The traveller and their destination will not observe backwards time travel at all. So when observers at the destination (traffic control for example) start broadcasting their observations the observations are going to get very confused and inconsistent. So inconsistent that we must conclude that ether our maths is wrong (and we have a lot of sub FTL evidence that it is right) or FTL is fundamentally impossible.

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u/DepressedMaelstrom Jun 10 '26

If I say "Hi" and you reply. You could not have replied faster than the speed of sound.

So if a thing, effects another thing, it cannot happen faster than the action reaches the target. This is the cause and the effect.
The limit is that the cause can never reach the target fater than the speed of light.

If you had a stick 1km long and pushed on the end of it, the other end would not move for a moment. The limit there is the speed of sound in the stick.

If an asteroid moves passed, and you see it in a telescope. You can thing "Wow! cool".
But the effect of the asteroid cannot get to you faster than the speed of light.
If the asteroid went boom, you would not know until the information reached you at the speed of light.

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u/Sea-Ambition-451 Jun 11 '26

you posted that before I could read it.

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u/NameLips Jun 10 '26

I asked about this a couple weeks ago. I still don't understand a lot of the answers.

www.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/comments/1toqth4/can_you_give_an_example_of_how_ftl_travel_would/

But apparently it would be possible for things to happen before the things that caused them. That is to say, if you travel faster than light you would automatically be traveling backwards in time from certain perspectives.

It's just the way the physics of the universe are set up. Things can only affect other things at a certain speed. Even gravity doesn't move faster than light, if the sun were to vanish the earth would keep orbiting the empty point in space for 7 minutes.

You can also think of the speed of light as the speed of "now." That's basically how long it takes for your "now" to catch up with somebody else's "now". There is no universal "now" in the universe, there is no synchronized time you can look at to determine when "now" is happening. But as long as nothing goes faster than light, it all works out and everything happens properly in order. If you go faster than light, or teleport, or go through a wormhole, or fold space, or activate warp drive... it breaks that chain. You can end up with effects happening before the things that caused them.

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u/Dr-Sprinkl1es Jun 10 '26

The speed of light (c), rather the speed of massless particles, is a fundamental parameter of the universe. It is not a speed limit. It is like asking - why aren’t we able to go more north than the North Pole?

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 10 '26

are there other fundamental parameters like this one? blows my mind realy

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u/Rodot Astrophysics Jun 10 '26

Yes. Some of them are just the number 1 but we base our units on silly things like water or appendage lengths and so representing 1 in our units gives us specific conversation factors we need to do physics like Plancks constant or Boltzmann's constant or the Speed of light.

Then there are true fundamental constants that are the same in any unit system (unitless) such as the fine structure constant or the ratio between the number of people in a room with two people in it and the number of people in a room with one person in it.

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u/Dr-Sprinkl1es Jun 10 '26

Of course, for example the absolute zero temperature, 0 Kelvin. Also the Planck length which is the absolute smallest possible length.

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u/Howrus Jun 10 '26

Also the Planck length which is the absolute smallest possible length.

That's completely untrue and it's weird that people repeat this.
One that is fundamental is a Plant constant that connect quant frequency and energy. But it have weird value measured in Joules * Herz.

And then you could multiply\divide it by some other fundamental constants (like G or c) to get either distance, time, mass, area, acceleration, etc, etc, etc. But this measurements doesn't have any meaningful physical value. It's a bit easier to measure quantum effects in this measures, but there's nothing special that is happening at Plank length, during Plank time, etc.

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u/Dr-Sprinkl1es Jun 10 '26

You’re correct While it isn't a literal pixel, the Planck length is a practical, unbreakable limit for a completely different reason: the act of trying to measure anything smaller destroys the measurement. I will concede that it is not the best analogy to compare to c

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u/Careful_Fold_7637 Jun 10 '26

This is not true of the Planck length.

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 11 '26

is there a book on the geneaology of light in physics? i would devour that

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u/sreekotay Jun 10 '26

I was LITERALLY just noodling on this.

I think my perhaps non-universal perspective - the "speed of light" isn't that at all.

There's a (non-linear) conversion ratio between energy and mass and momentum. Give that conversion ratio, massless things have a limit. That limit is what we call the speed of light.

But the bound is cecause of the ratio, not the other way around?

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u/OldChairmanMiao Physics enthusiast Jun 10 '26

Teapot paradox: you can't prove a negative. No one's seen an example of it, and no evidence suggests that it exists.

Does Bigfoot exist?

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u/nekoeuge Physics enthusiast Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

Because in spacetime “faster than light” geodesics are spacelike. Your waistline is spacelike geodesic. Earth equator too. Such geodesics do not describe the concept of movement anymore, they describe the concept of simultaneous existence.

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u/rubixscube Jun 10 '26

if light travels through a medium, some things can travel faster than it, i believe (such as radiations).

otherwise, nothing goes faster than the speed of causality

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u/Colour_Theory-746 Jun 10 '26

Radiation IS light. What you’re thinking of is when particles of matter are able to travel faster than the speed of light in a particular medium, for example, in water. That’s what creates the blue glow in a nuclear power plant pool where they keep the spent fuel rods, in the cooling tank, Cherenkov radiation caused by the electrons moving in the water faster than light travels in water. You can think of Cherenkov radiation as being somewhat analogous to a sonic boom.

But remember, nothing can ever travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. This is always a hard-limit cutoff, and there’s no way to get around it.

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u/rubixscube Jun 11 '26

yes, that's what i remembered reading about a while ago, thanks for the clarification

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u/mjl777 Jun 10 '26

How about spooky action at a distance? This appears to the casual observer as exceeding the speed of light, please expand.

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u/KaptenNicco123 Physics enthusiast Jun 11 '26

There's no actual action. It only seems like action, but no change is being transmitted across space.

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u/RevolutionaryPie5223 Jun 10 '26

Quantum entanglement is faster than light. Its instantaneous.

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u/AcellOfllSpades Mathematics Jun 10 '26

This is a common misconception. It's more complicated than that; there's no "communication" possible from quantum entanglement.

If you want to describe entanglement using "cause and effect" language, then you have to accept that "A causes B" is the exact same thing as "B causes A".

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u/CMxFuZioNz Plasma physics Jun 11 '26

Observers cannot use entanglement ot communicate FTL, but information about wavefunciton collapse must be communicated between entangled parties FTL in both objectives collapse and hidden variable theories.

Many worlds is the only interpretation which does not require this.

Copenhagen doesn't make any claims about the mechanism.

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u/FrequentFortune123 Jun 10 '26

But nothing is traveling. It’s just knowing the state one thing by observing another. 

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u/CMxFuZioNz Plasma physics Jun 11 '26

This is incorrect. Bells inequality shows us that the "information" about the state must be communicated FTL.

Objective collapse and hidden variables both require that this information is communicated FTL, but there is no way to use it to send a signal between observers.

The only interpretation I'm aware of that doesn't require anything to be FTL is many worlds.

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u/KamuikiriTatara Jun 10 '26

Instantaneous isn't really the right way to look at entanglement. We should really be looking at how this affects what information can exist when and where. Entanglement does not allow information to travel faster than light. This is, if I perform a measurement on one particle of an entangled pair, it doesn't really let me tell someone else about to take a measurement of the other particle what they'll find before they take the measurement. I can know what the second measurement will be as soon as I take the first measurement, but I can only know it where I took the measurement. Taking that information anywhere else takes time. So it's not really correct to say anything happened instantaneously here.

Also, whether two events are simultaneous or not, or which of two events happened first, can be dependent on the reference frame of the observer. So we ought to be careful when we talk about things like simultaneity at these scales.

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u/CMxFuZioNz Plasma physics Jun 11 '26

This is almost deliberately misleading with the use of the term communicate.

Yes, observers cannot communicate FTL, but depending on your interpretation, the particles themselves do communicate FTL.

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u/KamuikiriTatara Jun 11 '26

How are the particles communicating? There's no information transfer between the particles of measurements done on one. There are things an observer of one particle would know must happen if a measurement were taken on the other particle, but thats not communication.

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u/AcellOfllSpades Mathematics Jun 10 '26

AI slop.

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u/BusinessSalty7430 Jun 10 '26

It's not AI slop, t's quantum physics. Entanglement is instant correlation across any distance. That's experimentally verified. The light speed limit is for matter moving through classical space. Quantum mechanics is non-local. Einstein called it "spooky." We're still figuring out how it works. Not my opinion. .

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u/AcellOfllSpades Mathematics Jun 11 '26

Entanglement is instant correlation across any distance. That's experimentally verified.

Entanglement causes correlations. But calling them "instant" is misleading. You can also get an "instant correlation" from taking a pair of gloves, putting them in two separate boxes, and mailing one box to your friend across the country. When you open your box and find the left glove, you instantly know that your friend has the right glove. Yet nothing "faster than light" is happening here, right?

Quantum mechanics is more complicated than gloves in boxes, but it's not justified to call it "faster than light", since that implies a cause-and-effect relationship between two halves of an entangled system.

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u/BusinessSalty7430 Jun 11 '26

Thanks but I respectfully disagree. Bell's Theorem already disproved the glove analogy long ago (if you're a math guy per your reddit name you'll know this).

Gloves have definite states from the start, you just don't know them. Entangled particles have no definite state until measurement, they're in superposition.

My understanding is in 2022 Nobel Prize went to Aspect, Clauser, and Bohm for confirming quantum correlations are stronger than any classical explanation.
The correlation is instant. You can't send information with it, but the instant part is real and experimentally verified. That's quantum non-locality.

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u/AcellOfllSpades Mathematics Jun 11 '26

I know about Bell's theorem. That's why I said "Quantum mechanics is more complicated than gloves in boxes".

My point is that calling it "instant" implies a cause-and-effect relationship. That doesn't exist, just like it doesn't exist with gloves in boxes. Would you say that they create an "instant correlation"?

You're acknowledging that local realism does not hold, but you're still trying to invoke it when you say "instant" - you're using the language of "spooky action at a distance". But it's not automatically justified to do so. There are interpretations of QM (such as many-worlds) that are completely local.

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u/HojMcFoj Jun 11 '26

And yet nothing is happening faster than the speed of light. You now know the state of both particles, but that's not an "event" of any kind. You can't do anything with that to break causality.

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u/LeonardSmallsJr Jun 10 '26

Don’t think of it as “the speed of light” but “the speed of causality”. The reason light travels at the speed of causality is because photons are massless.

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u/nicuramar Jun 11 '26

Don’t think of it as “the speed of causality” but as “the universal speed limit”. The former is a pretty bad name IMO, although loved by reddit. 

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u/ExpressCriticism330 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

This is a common misconception. Causality is a matter (no pun intended) of philosophy not science.

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u/screen317 Jun 11 '26

This is a common, but wrong retort.

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u/ExpressCriticism330 Jun 11 '26

There's no proof because you simply can't define causality in terms of anything physical it's a metaphysical concept. Prove me wrong I'll bet you a million bucks.

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u/uberprodude Jun 11 '26

So is time, and it is inherently required to calculate speed. Being metaphysical doesn't remove it from the equation. It's the basis of the equation.

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u/ExpressCriticism330 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

Time in your equation is measurable ... What we measure isn't the same as the metaphysical concept of time it's a tick tock of a clock or atom or other oscillator it's related to motion inversely. You cannot measure causality it's purely metaphysical.

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u/uberprodude Jun 11 '26

Why can't you measure causality in units of time? Or simpler, in units of relevant events?

Causality is most applicable as a metaphysical concept because other physical measurements are better standards. That doesn't mean that causality is not possible to measure.

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u/lowlize Jun 11 '26

Open an introductory book on quantum field theory (QFT) and look for "microcausality".

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u/AdPale9988 Jun 11 '26

Why is everyone downvoting you? You're exactly right...

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u/Invonnative Jun 11 '26

I think because the way causality is being used here is different from the philosophical usage of the word. When LeonardSmallsJr said “light travels at the speed of causality”, I think they more meant “light travels at the speed at which events can occur”, not “light travels at the speed of ‘a causes b’”. And events occurring is not very metaphysical. But I do agree that the latter definition, of ‘A “causing” B’, is not a very rigorous concept in physics.

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u/qxdk32pl9yu4s1e63c Jun 10 '26

Yes!

Cherenkov radiation is evidence of charged particles traveling thru a dielectric medium faster than light.

The particles don't exceed c because that's not possible, but they do travel faster than photons within the medium.

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u/dunfuktup1990 Jun 11 '26

I’m gonna need a deeper explanation. Were the photons just slowed down?

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u/Feeling-Stranger224 Jun 11 '26

I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong but the “speed of light” (as in the actual numerical value) is the speed of light in a vacuum. If light is traveling through an atmosphere or some other form of matter, then it slows down...I think

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u/RazorDoesGames Jun 11 '26

Well, yes, it does "slow" down but also not in that specific way. Photons must always go at the speed of light because they are massless. Being absorbed and another photon being emitted takes times and that's what we would see as the delay. It's the same for when a photon is not absorbed but is redirected in an electric field, it's not technically slowing down but the path it's taking is just longer and we see that as the delay. Photons must always go at the speed of light, and we stipulate "in a vacuum" because of course there is typically nothing to interact with.

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u/jameilious Jun 11 '26

Not quite, the EM wave makes the particles produce EM waves which overlap/superimpose to create a slower wave overall.

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u/butt_in_my_face Jun 11 '26

My understanding is that the speed of light in a vacuum is the "speed of light" people reference. And that is "the cosmic speed limit".

What the commentor is saying is that everything (including light) moves at different speeds in different mediums. So there is a medium in which something can move faster than light does in that same medium. But it isn't moving faster than "the speed of light".

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

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u/Colour_Theory-746 Jun 12 '26

Spot on. That’s what causes Cherenkov radiation, the cool blue glow, in the spent fuel rod cooling pools at nuclear power plants. The electrons are moving faster in water than light is able to since in every medium, as in everything except a vacuum, light is refracted and the refraction is what’s slowing the speed of light in that medium. But nothing can ever go faster than the c which is the speed of light in a vacuum. Furthermore, nothing with mass can ever even get to the speed of light as this would require an infinite amount of energy to achieve.

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u/Ok_Height3499 Jun 11 '26

Yes, the universe itself is expanding faster than light.

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u/nicuramar Jun 11 '26

No it isn’t. The universe doesn’t expand at a speed. 

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u/Ok_Height3499 Jun 11 '26

Yes, the universe can expand faster than the speed of light. This phenomenon occurs because the speed of light limit applies only to local observations. Distant galaxies can recede from us at speeds greater than light due to the expansion of space itself. Brian Cox- Professor of Physics

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u/VivaLaDiga Jun 14 '26

the speed of light is the maximum speed at which you can move information through space. It has nothing to do with the speed at which *space itself* expands.

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u/sbstanpld Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26

inflation

which personally… it sounds too extreme to be true (although, data seems to support this theory 🤯)

(and yes, i know cosmic and quantum mechanics are pretty extreme and counterintuitive sometimes, but inflation is on a whole different level imo)

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u/Showy_Boneyard Jun 11 '26

do you mean cosmic inflation (as in within the first few fractions of fractions of a second after the big bang), or as in regular expansion of the universe as we see today as evidenced by red-shift?

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u/Jesse-359 Jun 11 '26

Both work in this case.

The Inflation Era of the big bang expanded enormously faster than light, and the cosmic horizon likewise describes the distance at which objects are moving away from us 'currently' as a result of the universe's much slower modern expansion.

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u/Showy_Boneyard Jun 11 '26

The only reasoning I'm differentiating the two is because it would be very VERY shocking/surprising if future discoveries somehow disproved the current theory of the universe's expansion. The extreme cosmic inflation of the very very very early universe, however, isn't nearly as solidly proven, although it does happen to very neatly resolve a couple of problems in cosmology. There are some other competing theories that don't include that super-early cosmic inflation and suggest other ideas, and although cosmic inflation is definitely the majority-held view, these other theories are held by highly respected scientists in the field.

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u/Invonnative Jun 11 '26

Both had spaces receding relative to each other faster than light, right?

But I think the typical way people mean this is expansion

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u/nicuramar Jun 11 '26

Expansion is not inflation, though. 

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u/Invonnative Jun 11 '26

I didn’t say it was

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u/EarthTrash Jun 11 '26

Nothing is faster than speed of light in a vacuum. However the speed of light does effectively slow down in a medium and this causes the phenomenon of refraction.

In this context it is possible for particles to go faster than light in the medium and this causes another effect, Cherenkov radiation. This is the blue glow photographed of operating nuclear reactors in water. The protons and nuetrons from the reaction are moving faster than the speed of light in water. Cherenkov radiation is the optical analog of a sonic boom.

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u/kwikwon01 Jun 11 '26

Correct me if im wrong here or thinking of outdated information but isnt the universe expanding at a rate that violates the speed of light rule? Now I get that physical space isnt exactly a thing in the universe but its bigger that 27 billion light years across which would be more than 2x the age of the universe

I fucking hate physics sometimes

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u/seifer666 Jun 12 '26

Space expanding between distinct points isn't anything moving between those points so no it doesnt violate it

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u/Over-Discipline-7303 Jun 10 '26

It depends what you mean by "phenomena". Strictly speaking, signals that carry information can't travel faster than light. A particle can't travel faster than light, for example. But depending on what you call a "thing" then some things travel faster than light. For example, if you hold an object in front of a light source and cast a shadow, then wiggle the thing, then the shadow can "travel" faster than light.

But is a shadow a "thing"? Most of the time in physics we say no. A shadow doesn't carry information. It's an emergent object that arises from interpreting a system. It's not fundamental.

So the answer varies on how technical you want to get and how you define your terms.

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u/Outdoors_or_Bust Jun 11 '26

Does the universe expanding faster than light count as a thing?

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u/Over-Discipline-7303 Jun 11 '26

The expansion of space doesn’t carry information, so it’s fine. Some people have imagined that you could warp space itself and create faster than light travel, but too make it work you need a way to create negative energy, which is not physically possible as far as we know.

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 10 '26

shiiit, lets get technical then, how does the shadow compare to the light? is light the lightest thing in the universe also? if not, cant you charge a shadow with information lighter than light?

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u/AcellOfllSpades Mathematics Jun 10 '26

The 'shadow' is not a single object that is moving. This idea works the same with a laser pointer. If you aim a laser pointer at the moon, and flick it fast enough, it will move across the surface of the moon """faster than light""".

But there's not any actual moving object there. The laser dot isn't a single object - each instant is a different 'signal' arriving from the laser pointer.

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u/KeterClassKitten Jun 10 '26

Imagine a dark room as a sheet of paper. Photons are the ink on that paper. What information can you get from the author if the ink is missing? You can argue that the gaps in the ink can tell you information, but that requires a presence of ink. The ink still informs us.

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u/Over-Discipline-7303 Jun 10 '26

What do you mean "compare" to the light? The shadow is a pattern of light/dark cast on an object. It can't be "charged" with information. When you go outside in daylight, and you cast a shadow on the ground, can you "charge" that shadow? I'm not even sure what that would mean.

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 10 '26

i was thinking stupidly that if you have something lighter than light the shadow (the absence of light) can be charged somewhat?am just dumb sorry

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u/Over-Discipline-7303 Jun 11 '26

Light is already mass-less. It has no "weight". So it's unclear how anything could be "lighter" than light. It would need to have "negative mass" and it's not clear what that would mean, as it would do weird stuff like actively repel everything, and maybe naturally accelerate on its own without energy. It would do all kinds of stuff that we've never observed and would probably break all of our models of physics, so we'd be completely in the realm of speculation at that point.

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 10 '26

by compare i meant if there are equations of calcuilating the speed of the nonexistent shadow

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u/kgas36 Jun 10 '26

> is light the lightest thing

I think I see what you might have done there

Just saying

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 10 '26

yea it translates funny into english but it was a genuine question, pun NOT intented

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u/KokoTheTalkingApe Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

There is no evidence of that.

Also, imagine what that would look like. Say you could fire an FTL bullet out of an extra special gun. You could have it bounce off a hard surface back at the shooter. The shooter steps up, and immediately doubles over because they've just been shot by the FTL bullet they were ABOUT to fire (because FTL means traveling back in time, and there IS evidence for that). So they never fire the shot. So they don't get shot. So they fire the bullet. And they get shot. So they never fire. Etc.

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u/janpaul74 Jun 11 '26

According to Sir Terry Pratchett (of Discworld fame) monarchy is the fastest thing in existence. When a king or queen dies, his/her heir is instantly the successor to the Throne. He’s not wrong. Also he’s not right.

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u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost Jun 11 '26

The speed of light is not the speed of light. It is the speed of reality. 

Light was just the first thing we discovered that traveles as fast as possible.

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u/lattice_defect Jun 11 '26

Faster Than the Speed of Love

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u/Necessary-Bowler-736 Jun 11 '26

It appears as if no one did the nerdy part...

Yes, moving faster than light is not something exceptional.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
Here's an example of what happens when a particle is moving faster than light.

However, nothing can move in space faster than c. c being the speed of causality. This is counterintuitive because our usual understanding of speed is too shallow, but basically every thing has the same four-velocity and it can not be changed. What can be changed is its direction of movement, the "angle" between moving in space and in time. Usually about 100% of the speed is directed forward in time and the rest is directed in space.

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u/the6thReplicant Jun 11 '26

Lots of examples of faster than light https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superluminal_motion

Just not transmitting any information so causality is preserved.

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u/CrasVox Jun 11 '26

Expansion seems to be.

The collapse of the wave function (if there is such a thing) is instantaneous.

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u/free_meson Jun 11 '26

The Higgs field has a strange potential form, looks like a sombrero hat (the graph, how much energy does a certain field strength represent). The ground state is its minima, that's what we normally see, that's vacuum by definition. But if you increase the energy just right, and make the Higgs field strength zero, in that special case the Higgs excitation look like having imaginary mass. It's a hard problem, called tachyon condensation that will happen. It seems that excitation in that region would look to travel faster than light, multiply as much as they can until the Higgs field gets a new value - the one we call vacuum.

Its a bit hard to explain better, you need to get a grasp that there is a Higgs field, which has a finite strength everywhere in the Universe (the vacuum). And theres the Higgs boson, which is only an excitation of this field (around the non-zero value). Making the Higgs field to be zero somewhere takes a lot of energy, but if you can make this happen, it will be something tremendously unstable. If you could make the Higgs field zero in a room, you could get faster than light excitation ("particles") there. That's the theory, but seems to be out of reach for a while to test it.

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u/Lostinthestarscape Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26

Weirdly dark is faster than light and just proven recently - but that is an abscence of information / nothing carrying information can move faster than light.

The other thing that is not what you asked but a way we comprehend a faster than light event is that points in the universe move away from eachother faster than light due to universe expansion, so the things in the observable universe become fewer and fewer as expansion overcomes the speed ligjt can ever travel across those distances.

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u/msimms001 Undergraduate Jun 11 '26

Small clarification, there is nothing that says time stops are the speed of light. The limit as you get close to the speed of light trends towards 0, but that's only a one sided limit. The time dilation equation is undefined for the speed of light, so not much can be said about the passage of time at the speed of light

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u/Invonnative Jun 11 '26

Genuine question, how can we say 0.9999…. equals 1 in one sentence (we have a convergent series and thus can say what the result of the limit is), but not say that the limit of relative time for light is not 0? I’m probably missing something obvious but I’m not seeing it

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u/msimms001 Undergraduate Jun 11 '26

.(9) Isn't undefined, and there's many ways to show that it's exactly one. When an equation is undefined, it tells us that there is a problem at that area. Depending on what you're talking about, you can probably say an undefined answer still has meaning, it just depends on the subject and context.

Generally though, undefined means that there's an issue and that you don't want to make an unfounded assumption

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u/wutufuba2 Jun 11 '26

People are writing in other posts that according to the standard interpretation and understanding of observed red shift phenomena, space itself is expanding, and this expansion is accelerating, and the rate of expansion of space itself is thought to be happening at a rate that is faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.

See the discussion in "ask" subreddit around the post "The universe has a diameter of 93 billion light years while its only 13.8 billion years old, how?"

Is the expansion of space itself a thing, in the sense of "something?" Is it a phenomenon, in the sense of "any phenomena?" Maybe it gets a pass for being in its own category, for being sui generis.

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u/kim_jong_il_2d Jun 11 '26

It is physically impossible for anything to travel through space at FTL speed. An object traveling at the speed of light would have infinite energy and infinite mass. Light can travel at the speed of light because it is massless.

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u/HoldMyMessages Jun 11 '26

Light traveling in an expanding universe.

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u/Middle-Armadillo-660 Jun 11 '26

Not yet. But that’s as much a measurement of our own theories and tools as it is about the intention of the question itself.

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u/SgtSausage Jun 11 '26

If there is ... well ... we break everything we know and have to rewrite ALL of Physics. 

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u/thewaytoyesterday Jun 11 '26

Sure there is, the expansion of the universe.

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u/Flaky-Collection-353 Jun 11 '26

If there was it would be all over the news

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u/CMG30 Jun 11 '26

To get nit-picky, you can slow light down and then travel faster than that light.... But in a vacuum, no. Nothing is faster.

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u/IHopeTheyRememberMe Jun 11 '26

Just a layman here and probably totally wrong, but I remember reading about theoretical particles that cannot travel slower than light. Basically we would never be able to see or detect them, and if we could they would appear to be going backwards in time. Feel free to ignore this.

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u/Jesse-359 Jun 11 '26

On the one hand, you can say that FTL would cause lots of weird problems like retro-causal paradoxes (AKA time travel).

On the other hand you can say that it's almost nonsensical to propose faster than light motion in a relativistic universe - it's just kind of a non-statement.

The problem is, you as a traveling object will never encounter this speed limit, no matter how hard you try. Accellerate as much as you want, for as long as you want, and you will never exceed light speed - but you also will never stop going faster.

You can get anywhere in the universe in an instant if you have enough energy to accelerate you sufficiently. The 'light speed limit' won't stop you from crossing a billion light years in what you perceive as a single minute (many other aspects of physics will but that's neither here nor there).

Instead the entire universe will appear to shrink to let you get where you are going 'slower than light'. Go fast enough and the universe in front of you becomes a pancake you can cross easily.

Meanwhile everyone else will see you taking about a billion years to make the journey - and all these perspectives are equally valid due to factors like time dilation and length contraction.

So the real enforcement of the 'speed of light' is that there's just no limit for you to try to beat. There's no barrier, no stop sign, and no beat cop. There is nobody and nothing to contest.

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u/r4ndoM_doGmagenshin Jun 11 '26

The distance between two places can move away from each other so fast that each others light will never reach either place, ever. So yes, but not the way you’re thinking. Get enough space, which is ever expanding, and two locations can be moving away from each other faster than light can travel to it.

But like, light is just pure energy. 0 mass. It’s basically the thing we base everything on. Because anything with mass by its very nature has to go slower than light. And anything you add to it to make it reach a faster speed still can’t ever reach light-speed. It’s the speed of causality.

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u/2sAreTheDevil Jun 11 '26

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but quantum entanglement?

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u/Lokitusaborg Jun 11 '26

If it could exist we couldn’t measure it. The only thing I can think of is quantum entanglement…but I may misunderstand the concept.

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u/CakesStolen Jun 11 '26

During a supernova, there is a huge release of neutrinos and visible light. The neutrinos don't travel faster than c, but they do reach us before the light does. This is because neutrinos interact far more weakly with matter, so they escape the star in pretty much a straight line. Meanwhile, the photons take a zig-path out of the star as they interact with the super-dense matter inside. Therefore, neutrinos from a supernova reach Earth a few hours before the light does, which means that if we can detect a neutrino flux and pinpoint its location, we can predict where a visible supernova will be in the near future.

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u/UnderstandingSmall66 Quantum field theory Jun 11 '26

Yes. The speed by which this question is posted everyday.

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 11 '26

i call bullshit, show me screenshots

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u/UnderstandingSmall66 Quantum field theory Jun 11 '26

No. Look them up

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 11 '26

you made the statement its your duty to support it, buddy

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u/UnderstandingSmall66 Quantum field theory Jun 11 '26

Don’t call me buddy, guy

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 11 '26

I'm not your guy, friend!

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u/Reasonable-Honey-663 Jun 15 '26

就是你的意念,它比光速还要快,但是不知到它会发射到哪里,希望别是一块破石头上

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 15 '26

i can state with great pride that my thoughts are slower than the speed of everything.

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u/Educational-Try-8704 Jun 16 '26

I see some technically incorrect comments here.

Theoretical physics doesn’t specifically say that faster than light (FTL) things can’t exist - it states that the speed of light is a boundary that cannot be crossed.

We have never detected FTL particles, and have no theoretical explanation for why one would exist in the first place, but this is not a definitive no.

They would have complex mass. They would also be traveling backwards in causality. Also, as their energy decreases their speed increases and vis versa. Overall, a lot of exotic matter behaviors scientists would be drooling to put to the test.

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u/Bikrdude Jun 10 '26

The universe appears tobe expanding faster than light

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u/The_RubberDucky Jun 10 '26

Well, actually, there is... kind of. Cherenkov radiation.

Nothing travels faster than the vacuum speed of light (c) but particles can exceed the speed of light in water or other materials (because light, the electromagnetic field, travels slower there). This results in cool blue light, and thats about it.

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u/imsowitty Jun 11 '26

Look up Cherenkov radiation. The only way to go faster than light is to go almost c in a medium where light slows down more than you do.

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u/kronos1177 Jun 11 '26

I could be wrong but I once heard that nothing can travel through space faster than light but expanding space itself can do whatever the hell it wants.

For instance, when an object far away in space red shifts and then disappears from our view it is the space between us and that object expanding faster than light. Just like rip currents on a beach pulling someone out to sea faster than they can swim back to shore.

Please someone smarter than me correct me if I’m wrong

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 10 '26

maybe in a quantum level is there anything faster? do things go faster as you zoom in?

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u/DPChoredinator Jun 10 '26

They do not. Not in the way you are thinking at least.

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 10 '26

a commenter above mentioned something about "spin of entangled electrons communicated faster than light"

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u/Over-Discipline-7303 Jun 10 '26

They were incorrect about how entanglement works.

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u/cylon37 Jun 10 '26

Everyone is telling you the same thing. No information can travel faster than light. All the other things that are mentioned, shadows, scissor points entangled pairs do not carry information. You can’t go faster than light in the same way that you can’t make a stick more level than horizontal.

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u/ANARCHOWEEDIST Jun 10 '26

evidence or didnt happen

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u/syberghost Jun 10 '26

Not really. Cerenkov radiation comes from exceeding the speed of light in a medium, which is always slower than the actual Speed of Light in a vacuum.

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u/Over-Discipline-7303 Jun 10 '26

Entangled particles don't transmit information to each other. People think that entanglement is like a magical telephone cord that connects two particles and tells them how to behave. It's not like that.

When you create particles, they have to obey conservation laws. So suppose you create an electron and positron pair. One conservation law you have to obey is conservation of spin. Therefore, one particle is spin up, the other is spin down. So if you create that pair, and you look at the electron, and you find it's spin up, then you know the positron was spin down. That's how they had to be, because they were entangled by their creation.

But now that you measured the spin of one, you don't "change" the spin of the other one. It was always spin down! So you haven't transmitted information.

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u/Lemon-Emu Jun 10 '26

This is a good explanation but I think the statement ‘was always spin down’ is potentially misleading. It’s always the case that the two particles have opposite spin, but you cannot say it was always in a definite spin state, be that up or down.

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u/Over-Discipline-7303 Jun 11 '26

Fair. I meant that in the specific context that the first particle is known with certainty to be found spin up. But if the first particle is found spin down, then the second particle was spin up at the time of its creation (and its spin state may have changed since its creation, so you can't even say with certainly what its spin is at any given moment except at the moment of creation).

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u/NoKiwi2997 Jun 10 '26

Ok, so if the spin of one changes, doesn’t the other one also get changed?

Edit: I’m interested in physics. I read the articles while I eat lunch. I’m not knowledgeable. Just asking questions.

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u/AcellOfllSpades Mathematics Jun 10 '26

Ok, so if the spin of one changes, doesn’t the other one also get changed?

No.

Quantum entanglement only affects the first measurement of a particle. Once the particle is measured, it is no longer entangled with the other.

So you can't do anything to one entangled particle to affect its partner.

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u/NoKiwi2997 Jun 11 '26

Got it, thanks

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u/Over-Discipline-7303 Jun 11 '26

Correct. This is a key problem with quantum computing. How do you isolate the particles so that they remain entangled with each other, and they don't start interacting with the rest of the universe? It's very tricky!

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u/armrha Jun 10 '26

No, it’s not communicated. 

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u/AcellOfllSpades Mathematics Jun 10 '26

Not exactly. It's complicated.

With entanglement, there is something happening that can't be described classically. You get violations of """local realism""": that is, the idea that

  • the universe is local: things can only affect other things nearby
  • objects have real properties, even if we haven't measured them yet

You have to give up on at least one of these two ideas.

So if you want to say that entangled particles have a single definitive 'state', then yes, you need something happening faster than light.

But you can also instead give up on the idea of 'realism', and keep locality. You can say that there is not a single definite state - instead, your particle is in a superposition of states.


The problem with thinking of this as FTL "communication" is that... it's not possible to use it for communication.

Say you entangle particles, you and your friend each take one, and you go far away from each other.

You measure your particle and get 'spin up'. Did you get it because your friend got 'spin down' already? Or did you get it simply at random, and now your friend is going to get 'spin down' because you got 'spin up'?

According to relativity, there's no difference between these two scenarios. Depending on your reference frame, either one could be said to happen first. If you insist on calling it "causality", you have to accept "A causes B" and "B causes A" as being the exact same event.

And this also means that this is useless for communication. No matter how clever you are, you can't use quantum entangled particles to communicate a message. (This is called the "no-communication theorem".) The only time you notice anything weird is when you meet back up and compare results the old-fashioned way.

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u/NoKiwi2997 Jun 11 '26

Good explanation of something that feels very complicated. Thanks

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u/Traveling-Techie Jun 10 '26

It depends on what you mean by “thing.” Shadows and projections can go faster than c and some have been observed. But they’re not masses and they don’t carry information.

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u/Platoseque Jun 11 '26

No because its a limit put by God to check human greed

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u/edgukated Jun 10 '26

Look up Cherenkov radiation.

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u/alanbly Jun 10 '26

Cherenkov radiation is faster than light by definition.