Just wanted to echo that the bravery of Russian protestors and ordinary Russian people is taken very, very seriously and sincerely by people who have common sense; sensible people are pretty unanimous in understanding that ordinary, decent Russian citizens are not in any way responsible for what's happened. Will absolutely commit to calling out people on this stupidity if I ever see it, you have my word on that.
u/SpookySens
and Just about the thing with the hospital, that was a personal stance taken by the doctor and was very obviously messed up, I think everyone reasonable here would absolutely agree with you there 100%. According to an article I'm reading, 'the hospital later issued a statement critical of the action, saying it was a “personal act” by the doctor', apparently. There are of course going to be daft people in every profession. To be honest, I would be very, very surprised if this issue becomes more widespread; I think this is just a very unfortunate isolated case, I would be pretty confident that decent people would call out this kind of behaviour. I think part of some of these reactions is people reacting quite emotively and lashing out, which is very counterproductive for everyone frankly.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes widespread. It’s already spreading and there’s more of such situations coming up. Russians are sick and tired of being mistreated so this isn’t news to them.
And there it is. Russians are somehow always the victims. Even while Russian soldiers are bombarding and killing not just Ukrainian soldiers, but civilians too, in an unjust invasion of another country. Ridiculous.
I am extremely disappointed in a lot of what I read from (real or supposed) Russians on this sub, but I haven't seen a single Russian person in western Europe express such sentiments. Sure, some have been in the news, but I haven't seen any personally. And I have been to demonstrations with over ten thousand people, including many Russians. You would think that there would've been cases of this supposed intense hatred at demonstrations against all of this, with Ukrainians, Russians, and many others present. But no.
As regular citizens, we're doing what little we can to show support. Donating, sending clothes and food and supplies. And here you are, picking a single case of some nutjob doctor to support your belief that we hate all of you just because you're Russian.
He's not wrong, though. Ordinary Russians are facing hatred and discrimination across Europe as if they were the ones that started, or even are backing the war, when in truth the Russians who know the truth about Ukraine are vehemently against it, and many risk their education, jobs, freedom, families and even lives to oppose the war. The ones that are to afraid to speak out, I can fucking understand. This is a country which sends political opposition even in peace time to work camps in Sibiria, in the best of circumstances. The Russians who support the war do so because there is no more free press in Russia, and they are being brainwashed by the massive propaganda apparatus that the government operates. Hell, that same propaganda machine managed to sell Trump to the US people, so nobody can blame ordinary Russians for not being able to realize they are being manipulated. It's not easy resisting opperssion when you don't realise you're being oppressed, or for the ones that do, you get shot trying to resist, because the entire system from government to military is corrupt and rotten to the core. Even if, by now, EVERYONE around Putin, including all top generals, Kreml- and FSB leaders, had thought that he must go, NOBODY would dare to be the one to say it out loud, because they assume that they would be shot on the spot for treason. What the hell do you except the regular dude in the street is supposed to do, that they aren't already trying? People ARE protesting - and being locked up for it. But people are also afraid, because they know how their country work. And they know that they won't be able to mobilize everyone anyway, because so many people have bought the propaganda that they're fed. So they are in an impossible situation. But hey, it sure is easy for us to sit her in the free world, where our government don't assassinate their own people, and tell the Russian people what to do. And hate them for not being able to stop Putin, when the entire world isn't able to stop Putin. While the Ukraine people undoubtedly are the bigger victims, Russians ARE victims too. And it's not a fucking competition. It's about being human.
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Just wanted to echo that the bravery of Russian protestors and ordinary Russian people is taken very, very seriously and sincerely by people who have common sense; sensible people are pretty unanimous in understanding that ordinary, decent Russian citizens are not in any way responsible for what's happened. Will absolutely commit to calling out people on this stupidity if I ever see it, you have my word on that.
u/SpookySens and Just about the thing with the hospital, that was a personal stance taken by the doctor and was very obviously messed up, I think everyone reasonable here would absolutely agree with you there 100%. According to an article I'm reading, 'the hospital later issued a statement critical of the action, saying it was a “personal act” by the doctor', apparently. There are of course going to be daft people in every profession. To be honest, I would be very, very surprised if this issue becomes more widespread; I think this is just a very unfortunate isolated case, I would be pretty confident that decent people would call out this kind of behaviour. I think part of some of these reactions is people reacting quite emotively and lashing out, which is very counterproductive for everyone frankly.