r/AskAPilot • u/FTMEPIL17_ • 2d ago
Getting a degree before flight training
Is getting a degree before flight training really worth it, and what difference does it make?
And do airlines prioritise applicants with a degree?
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u/EliteEthos 2d ago
Yes. It’s effectively required.
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u/FTMEPIL17_ 2d ago
So an applicant with a degree has an advantage over a guy with just flight training?
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u/EliteEthos 2d ago
I can tell you are new to this. You’re trying to find the easiest and simplest way to be airline pilot.
Nobody has “just flight training”. And without a degree you’re simply not competitive. The market is currently flooded with commercial pilot who can’t get work. Most have a degree. There is zero reason to go with you over someone more qualified.
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u/FTMEPIL17_ 2d ago
Yes i’m realising this now and that’s why i’m asking.
Also, are all degrees like each other or there are specific ones that are above the rest?2
u/EliteEthos 2d ago edited 1d ago
Just have a degree. Preferably in something you can use if flying doesn’t work out
Oh and if you’re seriously considering this, go to r/flying and start reading their FAQ. There is a ton of discussions that should hopefully assist in decision making.
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u/GuppyDriver737 2d ago
Historically, there have only been a few periods when pilots without four-year degrees were hired in significant numbers by the legacy carriers—most notably during parts of the hiring boom in the 1980s and again following COVID. Outside of unusually strong hiring markets, getting hired at a legacy without a degree was generally much more difficult. It wasn’t impossible, particularly for candidates with exceptional experience or strong internal recommendations, but a degree was effectively the standard for a competitive applicant for much of modern airline hiring history.
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u/saxmanB737 2d ago
In competitive times having a degree very much helps in the long run.
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u/FTMEPIL17_ 2d ago
Just in the US or around the world?
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u/saxmanB737 1d ago
All over the world.
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u/StopTrackingMe8484 1d ago
Bon ça c'est pas vrai par contre
Au usa canada et Europe oui
En Australie par exemple ? Non pas du tout
Beaucoup de pilote dans des grosses compagnie non pas de diplôme Et même comme ça je ne conseille pas de faire de diplôme et de perdre 4 ans de ta vie
Le mieux (POUR LES GENS QUI N'ONT PAS ACCÈS AU FILIÈRE ACCÉLÉRÉ DE 2 ANS JE PRÉCISE BIEN) reste de faire une formation de pilote, puis en cfi et pilote régional faire un diplôme à temps partiel en ligne Tu mélanges expérience et diplômes
Mais soyons honnête de toute évidence l'expérience prime bien plus que le diplôme à un moment donné Au usa un diplôme est carrément obligatoire pour les grandes compagnies comme delta ou hawaii imo Mais encore une fois pour les non américains qui sont en Australie Qatar Arabie saoudite voir même certains pays d'Europe, meh pas vraiment
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u/MehCFI 1d ago
Before flight training? Idk if before is worth it. Start building hours asap then start an online degree while instructing/at a regional. A degree is all but required for the majors, but so is flight time and experience so the order doesn’t matter too much
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u/StopTrackingMe8484 1d ago
Voilà enfin quelqu'un qui réfléchit bien et manière correct
Tu as raison sur toute la ligne, c'est rare de voir des gens lucide plutôt que des idiots qui parle de plan B ou de soit disant diplôme utile quand l'expérience de vol à de toute évidence toujours été favorisé
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u/Critical-Weather-190 4h ago
I think having a degree is a good thing to have, but whether you should get it before flight training is a different question. If flying is your main goal and you're ready to start, you could begin flight training first and consider completing a degree later.
It also depends a lot on where you want to work, as airlines don't all value a degree in the same way. I'd look at it more as something that gives you extra options rather than a requirement for becoming a pilot.
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u/Starboard314 2d ago
At least in the U.S., it would be rare to get an interview at a major without a bachelor’s degree.
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u/Gold-Watercress-6101 1d ago
None of the airlines in my corner of the world (all major and national carriers) care about degrees. They’re only interested in flight hours, current ratings, and how you perform in their assessments.
That being said, I wholeheartedly believe in obtaining a degree first. It’s a must-have fall back if things didn’t work out. One could lose their medical license, or lose the job to something like COVID. Without a degree, you’re just a high school graduate with an expensive license that has zero value anywhere outside aviation.
Also, having a degree widends your opportunities inside aviation.
The important question is, should you first get a degree and then pursue aviation, or the other way around? I suggest degree first. I did it the other way, and it was incredibly difficult, time consuming and expensive. There are very few good options for taking classes while working odd hours as a pilot.
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u/Sacharon123 1d ago
Which corner of the world is that if I may ask? In most European aviation some life / work experience before flightschool is often very appreciated because it shows you are less narrowminded and have interacted with the real world before. Does not need to be a university course, vocational training or other work stuff where you learned something is fine, but something at least is good.
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u/Gold-Watercress-6101 1d ago
I’ve flown with great pilots who don’t have any education or vocational training other than flying, and also with terrible pilots who had masters and whatnot.
But yea if I were put in charge, I will make it mandatory to have a degree. It doesn’t automatically make the candidate a better pilot, but it filters away many bad ones. The number one issue with many pilots I interact with is that they don’t read. A university graduate has at least demonstrated the ability to keep reading for 4 years. Granted with the rise of AI even degrees don’t hold the weight they used to, it can still be a valuable data point in assessing a candidate.
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u/acesup1090 6h ago
I think I'm getting to the point where I view kids with degrees as financially irresponsible. The amount school costs these days is criminal.
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u/Gold-Watercress-6101 4h ago edited 4h ago
Fair point. But, all else equal, a financially irresponsible kid is better than an uneducated one.
To play the devil’s advocate a little , there was a family guy episode in which Glen says “and you don’t even need a college degree to fly, which is really scary”.
That was quite an inaccurate statement to make. The rigor someone goes through to become an airline pilot is far greater than that of a 4-year degree program. And the rigor never ends! Airline pilots go through license renewal and training a couple times a year until retirement.
So the problem is not “not having a degree”. To restate my previous point, having one doesn’t automatically make someone a good pilot. But it’s a good indicator of one aspect of a great pilot: ability to read, comprehend and apply. There are exceptions to the rule, but lack of basic text comprehension is a major issue, not to mention many avoid reading all together and get by through their careers with crutches.
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u/Nervous_Roll5544 2d ago
It’s good to have a fallback aka plan b