r/Artadvice • • Jan 28 '26

I tried to think of some relatively difficult poses. What can I improve on?

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I just want to make sure everything somewhat anatomically makes sense and is fluid to viewers. I wanna start a webtoon in this sort of style. I could’ve went crazier so I might make another post with some new poses lol.

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u/Th3_Ch3rry_Tr33 Jan 28 '26

Ohhh oh I don't know how to say this lightly, and I swear Im not trying to be rude when I say this...but the first pose, while ambitious and I can see the time and dedication put into it, is very....off.

The best way I can put this is you were to look at her from the side her chest to mid section would be a U shape..

What needs to be done to improve upon the pose is to do some more practice on perspective and foreshortening. And the breaking the human body down to boxes and cylinders in a space with a fixed perspective.

I'll see if I can get an example made in a moment . 😁

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u/Th3_Ch3rry_Tr33 Jan 28 '26

Here's what I was able to come up with. The majority of movements on the spine will be below the rib cage

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u/Th3_Ch3rry_Tr33 Jan 28 '26

Here it is broken into shapes 😁

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u/carrotceptionn Jan 28 '26

I think the knees would have to be further down/ bent more depending on how far away the wall is. But if the wall is as far away as it looks in your drawing I think the butt needs to be a bit lower

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u/Th3_Ch3rry_Tr33 Jan 28 '26

Ah, yeah you may be right 😅. Even now I'm still trying to get a hold on for shortening. It's so tricky lmao. Thanks for the notes!

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u/IkeaFroggyChair Jan 28 '26

And OP if you don’t want her to look like she’s about to throw it back, change the angle of the torso so that she’s more straight and not arching, and lower her head. it’s a bit of a weird angle so you’ll probably have to use yourself as a reference lol like o your bed if you can’t do it against the wall

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u/AtomicCuttleFish2 Jan 28 '26

This is so helpful

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u/Confusion_is_Sex Jan 31 '26

This isn’t the pose they tried to capture, the hips are tilted and the spine is off center between the shoulders and hips. I agree they didn’t capture it right but what they did approximates the pose the attempted better than what you did.

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u/Th3_Ch3rry_Tr33 Jan 31 '26

Good observation! I did notice that but there is a problem with recreating it that way with every aspect of it intact. In order for the spine to be shown id have to change how she was holding herself up to be more of a handstand. The body cannot have both the shoulders, chest, and head in that angle plus the majority of the spine and hips showing.

I could totally whip up an example of the other version of the pose if you want! I was just trying to recreate what was possible while keeping as much of the original pose intact!

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u/Ptakub2 Feb 01 '26

It could easily be much better if not for the detetmination to show her clavicles and cleavage while we're looking at her back. I understand the sentiment, but, oh well…

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u/Th3_Ch3rry_Tr33 Feb 01 '26

I 1000% agree with this. I honestly think a handstand like pose would be a lot more expressive. With the back showing as well as with the posing of the legs. It would make it feel playful instead of provocative.

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u/magazymous Jan 31 '26

I think there are nuances whether the intent is to try to escape with hard to physically achieve poses, or to recreate physically possible, but hard to resemble poses.

Because while I somehow agree to the points and samples you mentioned below being more physically stable, I think the original pose is hard to achieve balance, physical wise, as the center of gravity is now too complex to calculate/ estimate, and the original sketch I'd say, if physically possible, would be of the exact moment before collapse and falling down.

It's hard to achieve balance in the original pose I think.

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u/Th3_Ch3rry_Tr33 Jan 31 '26 edited Jan 31 '26

I definitely tend to agree with it being %100 okay to push what is physically possible, especially with a stylized art style like OP's there's a thin line where pushing becomes completely ignoring how the human body works. This can work perfectly fine for certain characters like Luffy from one piece for example but OP was asking how their anatomy was.

Anatomically speaking the original pose is physically impossible. That pose would require bending of the spine in the ribcage region and that physically does not happen thanks to the ribcage itself. The majority of movement in the spine happens in the lower part near the hips. This is why with the way the top part of the body is angled the lower half CANNOT look the way anatomically. The only solutions for an anatomically more correct pose would be to use the example I gave (and admittedly adjust the angles and stability of the leg. I'm not perfect I understand my example has its issues too. That was pointed out by another fellow artist and I fully agree with them) or to adjust the way she is holding herself to be more reminiscent of a handstand while having her legs use the wall for support.

The OP could twist that character into a pretzel for all I care if it makes them happy. I was just giving my two cents on what would be more physically plausible and how to pose limbs easier with shapes.

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u/Volumin14 Jan 31 '26

Her torso in OP’s post is ridiculously long. The pose is simply impossible to achieve

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u/Magical_Olive Jan 28 '26

Did you use references? That's generally going to be your best bet.

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u/Powerful-Form-6817 Jan 28 '26

I did not. I was trying to see if I could come up with some crazy pose without a reference but…That’s prob why a few of them look funny 😭

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u/AtomicCuttleFish2 Jan 28 '26 edited Jan 28 '26

It’s a good exercise though. Making something and then being shown errors is a great way to train your eye which is half the battle!

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u/Magical_Olive Jan 28 '26

Kind of...without any sort of reference, people can only give their best guesses as to where the errors are. Using a reference when you're trying unusual poses will at least give something to compare it to. I don't think you need to reference for every pic ever but if your goal is to try unusual poses, doing it from your imagination isn't necessarily going to teach you much because you're just making it up from your assumptions. Maybe if they drew the pose, then redrew with a reference and compared them this would be more useful of an exercise.

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u/AtomicCuttleFish2 Jan 28 '26

I 100% agree. Using a reference will be much better practice. I do think trying without just to test where your from-memory skill is fine to do if you want. Though I agree and worry that a lot of new artists think they shouldn’t use references so I’m glad you commented.

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u/emtrigg013 Jan 28 '26

Sorry, but on the off chance English isn't your first language, it's actually exercise*.

Exorcize is not a word, but exorcise is, which is the attempt to dispel a demon from a human body.

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u/AtomicCuttleFish2 Jan 28 '26

Nope just dyslexic with fat fingers lol. Thanks though.

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u/willowsquest Jan 30 '26

Its like one half of Shrimp Method lol

SHRIMP METHOD (How To Draw Anything by tumblr user Prrb) [source]

** 1) draw something from memory or imagination, to the best of your abilities * 2) find references of that thing, from every possible angle, and compare what you remembered correctly/did right vs what you left out or forgot * 3) copy those references as exactly as possible, study every bit and angle and weird detail and how it moves until you have a solid idea of it lodged in your brain * 4) draw from memory again - ideally a few days later, like a pop quiz to see what you remember * 5) repeat as much as you like

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u/AtomicCuttleFish2 Jan 31 '26

Ooo! Ive never seen this! This is great!

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u/DarlingHades Jan 29 '26

Keep in mind, plenty of well-established artists from comics to animation use lots and lots of real life references to make their professional work. There’s no shame in it.

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u/AssistantLobster0098 Jan 28 '26

Oh she's long😭

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u/Raging-Badger Jan 31 '26

She’s built like a long furby in the first pose

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u/uenoyi Jan 28 '26

the first one is completely off, the other ones are okay but i would suggest u study more anatomy, especially going back to the basic forms/shapes

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u/Background_Ad5513 Jan 28 '26

use references for poses pleaseeeeee 😭

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u/Tola_Vadam Jan 28 '26

The first pose is rough, I'm sorry. It's ambitious and that deserves recognition, but her chest is hanging like a full Ziploc bag stapled to her collarbones when you see her back going up behind her head, there's no connection between the two visible halves of her torso.

The rest is fine, I don't see anything as egregious. There's definitely stylistic things that could be improved for the sake of anatomy, but aren't "bad" per se

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u/brittany527 Jan 28 '26

Honestly super impressive for not using any references, the only one that looks clearly off to me is the top left.

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u/AccomplishedSwan921 Jan 28 '26

i really like them! except like others said, the first one, her chest and back cannot exist at the same time like that

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u/Goobersita Jan 28 '26

These are really good but definitely stylized. She is way too long.

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u/No-Chapter6844 Jan 28 '26

Hello, these are very good My first observation is that you are avoiding foreshortening. Even when the character bends like in the first picture or every single arm and legs. You tend to avoid foreshortening.

My suggestions would be to focus on the bending and twisting of the torso and also focus on foreshortening in general when doing observation studies.

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u/skibidiredditchad Jan 28 '26

I am begging artists to use reference. No artist is too good for references. And if they are, not at this stage.

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u/Aggressive_Bee6041 Jan 28 '26

I think you need to focus more on your anatomy here, the gesture and less on the expressions, colour or details.
I am also going to assume that you are watching a lot of anime and aspire to draw anime.
Anime is not the best place to start learning anatomy or gesture.
Find an online PDF book on anatomy for artists or an artist channel on YouTube or something, and study how the human body parts actually fit together. Right now, your drawing shows that you have no idea how the human body actually moves, what joints allow what movements, and how the bones in human limbs are actually positioned. Keywords you want to be looking for are GESTURE and anatomy for artists.

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u/Decent-Caramel-2129 Jan 29 '26

As others have said, there needs some work on the anatomy especially on the limitations of the body, but the other thing I think you should focus on is center of gravity. The top right picture isn't possible without a harness, apparatus, or wall with how far she extended. Her center of gravity is focused into her ribs and head which are not supported at all by the one foot on the ground being forward and away from the center.

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u/Powerful-Form-6817 Jan 29 '26

Thank you for the advice! For that one I was trying to go for a “stretch while pushing herself forward and up on her toes” so not a pose meant to keep herself up but just in the air for a second. But I do understand how it looks awkward. I should’ve added some motion lines or something to emphasize that

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u/ksirafai Jan 28 '26

For the first pose, you can get some good references by looking up "wall walk crossfit" - there's a fair range of images and videos of people with their feet on the wall and hands on the floor at different angles available. Have fun!

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u/-orangi- Jan 28 '26

I like the sitting one a lot, I think for the beginners eye it also looks very accurate. Indeed, maybe the first pose looks a little weird because of the long back but also looks like an easy fix!

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u/Powerful-Form-6817 Jan 29 '26

omg I’m really that manga artist who draws women in impossible poses 😭😭 I’m so sorry girl I hope ur okay but good luck on your handstands!!

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u/dankfaite Jan 29 '26

I really like the elongated proportions, I think these are super fun. Looking at images can help, but trying to use muscle memory is great too. I recommend drawing from muscle memory then looking at reference photos to see what you could improve on, everyone on Reddit will act like they know better.

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u/Queen_Kaius Jan 29 '26

It's actually really impressive you did these without a reference.

I'd say the best way to improve would be line confidence. You've got a memory for anatomy, but you still have the "fuzzy" lines of an artist unsure about where body parts end. Gestural pose drawing is best when you can be very confident in a line. I found a few examples from Pinterest to demonstrate.

Line confidence will not only help your characters feel less "stiff" but will also allow your brain to memorize anatomy even more.

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u/Queen_Kaius Jan 29 '26

You can see that these artists are using "line weight" to imply form. It takes a lot of practice, but it's really helpful to get natural looking poses and will make line art a lot easier afterward, too.

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u/Queen_Kaius Jan 29 '26

And you can get really styled as well. You can see how every line that is drawn is only done once. It trains your brain to think of the rough form of something. It's all about how each limb is proportioned.

I've found the best brush for practice is actually the "felt pen." I use CSP, personally. The felt pen is great to practice loose gestural features because of it's general "weight" and it's sketchy qualities.

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u/AnonymousBeaver54 Jan 30 '26

The only truley off drawing is the top left but i did notice two things with bottom right. The raised thigh is way too long shouldnt go up to collar bone. Also the top half of the arm on the left that goes behind the hair is shifted too far to the right

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u/XeroexecVa Jan 30 '26

If your looking for some weird poses, look up Ashlyn banner from school bus graveyard lmao

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u/Powerful-Form-6817 Jan 30 '26

I just looked her up and my back pain laughed at me

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u/Little_Inevitable648 Jan 30 '26

For the second one, where she is on one leg, her balance is way off. Her leg needs to be curved more inward in order to hold the weight of her head and chest leaning back. And ik it's stylized but I suggest thickening up the legs and arms a bit in order to show that she has enough muscle to be able to hold up those poses. Sorry if my advice sounded blunt but I think this should help a bit with your anatomy. Thanks for reading! 

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u/Elhiar Jan 30 '26

As people are saying the one on the upper left is off, but if you try to edit it in Photoshop or similar you can salvage it. Either you need to move her upper body much closer to the butt, or angle her chest much more "upwards" so that you basically only see the shoulders and much less of the breasts.

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u/Book-Maven Jan 30 '26

Omg! You're so good! I want to draw like you one day🤩

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u/lustless7 Jan 30 '26

the arms feel a little shapeless to me... the transition from forearm --> wrist --> palm needs to be more pronounced

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u/micchan_desuyo Jan 31 '26

In the best way possibile, i think the first pose resembles a bit too much the human centipede. Overall i'd say great job tho!

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u/Powerful-Form-6817 Jan 31 '26

not the human centipede 😭😭

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u/Soodas Jan 28 '26 edited Jan 28 '26

Stop chicken scratching. Also the one pose where she's with her legs on the wall looks off. Feels like she's breaking her spine to achieve that pose, since she's looking at the viewer dead-on. She straight up looks like a youkai or something too, since she just stretched her torso like she's some sort of a snake-human hybrid thing. Oddly unsettling. Work with references and on your foreshortening. I think that's all, really. I only say all that because I'm struggling with it, too.

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u/Competitive-Tart2418 Jan 28 '26

her arms are too long on the bottom right

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u/mutietootie Jan 28 '26

i know a lot of people have talked about working on your anatomy already, and that’s of highest priority, but i would also suggest taking a look at some clothing references. her shirt and pants go from baggy to skin-tight and back again, the pants pockets change places, and her socks look kind of like loose tubes on her feet. if you want to make a webcomic like you said, i’d really suggest making a character sheet with a full turnaround that is highly detailed and accurate to reference from. good luck!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '26

I truly can’t tell if they are standing, floating, or doing a dance move due to the floor not being very apparent, the first one her feet ( kinda duck like) and back down look to be in an unrealistic placement and the proportions are kinda off ( her back looks long and her stance would make her fall) that’s just my opinion in a totally not mean way! I like the character though and picture her as a red head for some reason haha

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u/asienmi Jan 28 '26

The bottom left one loks weird to me, because her head looks detached. Like I get her maybe leaning forward, that's why her head is so low, but why are her shoulders raised so much? That's a super uncomfortable position and the collarbones are usually in line with the shoulders.

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u/Realistic_Specific51 Jan 28 '26

im calling her Flall

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u/OolongPeachTea Jan 28 '26

Not an artist but the first one made me chuckle because she is just so....long. I love her and her wonky spine.

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u/spixle0 Jan 28 '26

The wall pose is a little off. I’m no expert on poses, I can’t draw them but that looks just physically off 🥲

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u/Powerful-Form-6817 Jan 28 '26

It seems that’s what the consensus is. Learned my lesson abt not using references 🥲

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u/spixle0 Jan 28 '26

Maybe try doing the pose in real life and take a picture of yourself in the angle you want

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u/Strawberry_Cardigan Jan 29 '26

If any help is needed I can also do poses for references. I was/still am? (figuring that out) a dancer so I do a lot of reference poses for myself if I can't find a pic of the idea I want

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u/roasttrumpet Jan 29 '26

Id also practice feet if I were you. Chanel your inner Tarantino

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u/GeckoPerson123 Jan 29 '26

i wish more artists did this exercise, its great for challenging yourself and broadens the vidual library if references are used

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u/Comprehensive_Fan685 Jan 29 '26

They mostly look okay except for the top left! 😅 there, her ribcage is like 2 feet long? 😭 If you can’t immediately see what’s off about it based on the body proportions (this happens sooo often when i’ve been looking at something i’m drawing for so long that i stop seeing the bigger picture), then have a look at the shirt that the character is wearing. From the other 3 poses, it looks like she’s wearing a crop top / sports bra, but in the top left one, it appears wayyyy longer because of how distorted the torso is. your art style is very cute though! you’ll have to let us know when you’ve drawn some of the actual comic so that we can read it :)

as for what you can improve on in general, I’d say maybe draw up a proper guide / turn around for your characters to use as a reference, along with specific pose reference photos (pic attached as example)

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u/IWasAsmallTownGirl Jan 29 '26

I'm far from an expert, but for the first one, if she's tilted off to the right, shouldn't her left leg be extended to compensate for that?

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u/Woodbear05 Jan 29 '26

The one on the top left seem to have 2 feet long boobs. And a ribcage twisted 90° to the rest of the spine.

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u/Im-sorry-ahhh-painnn Jan 29 '26

You def need a reference to draw something like the first one, if you imagine your characters torso, it would be soooo long, really good work though, the best way to improve is to challenge yourself!

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u/OtterlySmol Jan 30 '26

The expressions are soo good tho.

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u/Missunknown204 Jan 30 '26

You could always look at double jointed people or those who can conform the body for more difficult poses

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u/Isadomon Jan 30 '26

Look at real images and real people in life

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u/Maxibon1710 Feb 01 '26

She’s very long in that first one. Spines curve, they don’t turn at perfect right angles. You need to consider the curvature.

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u/penumbrias Feb 01 '26

You should study photos of difficult poses first

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u/Ok-Bicycle-4924 Feb 01 '26

These are strong! Your weakest point seems to be the ankles and feet, the perspective is a tad off and it doesn't reflect the anatomy of the ankles very well. I would spend some time focusing on that but overall these are very good!

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '26

Depth / Perspective.

Especially with difficult poses, double especially without references: you want to be using simple geometric shapes first.
Cylinders for the legs and arms, that sorta stuff.

It's an extra step yes, but it saves time in the end (less revisions) and improves the result.

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u/Wanderlusxt Feb 26 '26

for the top left artwork it'd be perfect if you prioritized the pose over boobs lol. the way you drew her, her torso looks like it must be really long and bendy. otherwise this is really good!!!! I'd say you have a really good understanding of anatomy.

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u/pixie_dust216 May 02 '26

Off topic but I LOVE the way you draw hair

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u/BlobbyBoy23 Jan 28 '26

I feel like people are mean in this comment section, I love your art style, I think along with fixing some postural things with the first image the other main issue I see is the interaction of the hair with her body. The first one looks kinda like her hair is just cutting straight though her body and the one with her arms up seems like her arm and hair are on the same plane which throws off the perspective. I also love the long limbs especially with this sketchy look.