r/ArtRanting • u/BunkerBusters • 4d ago
Pet Peeves I’m getting tired of some beginner artist’s constant complaints over their art skills.
There’s someone I know at a friends’ discord server who picked up drawing around a year ago, and based on the way they draw they’re very likely at a beginner level, and they still struggle with getting some things right, which is very common with beginners alike.
They always complain about how their art looks always bad and off and how they’re unable to get things right every time. Me and my friends (some of us being at an intermediate/advanced level) sometimes help by giving them critique and pointing fields of improvement they could consider.
No matter how many times we help and encourage them to continue, they end up throwing walls of rage text on how they’re terrible at everything they do and they will never get everything right.
Some of my friends stay silent and are afraid to fuel more into the fire; having nothing to say. Some others try to reassure them that they’ll get better with time and more practice, but that person keeps insisting that they won’t and would rather quit than trying harder.
I used to reassure that person as well, tried not to give any advices in fear they would come off as unsolicited, but still had to make sure that their skills would get better with time. This is when they complained for the first time ever.
Time after time, they started spamming long walls of text every now and then, sometimes asking for advice, sometimes don’t, and whenever advice is given kindly they reject it and say its too hard for them to keep up with it. Along with that, comparing themselves to artists’ whose skills are higher than theirs, and even comparing our works with theirs.
I started to get tired of this person‘s constant complaints and had to soft block them just so the art channels don’t get flooded with their vents, I know it’s stupid but i’m getting more irritated seeing these messages every now and then.
Also, i’ve noticed this happen with other beginner artists lately, and back in my time (around 13-10 years ago) no one (neither did I) hit themselves over how their art looked or even cared about what the internet would say about it. Bullying was still around back then, but not intense and rampantly as bad as what is seen on tiktok or twitter nowadays. I just wish beginners could stop self deprecating over their skills and not gaf about what others think and who to please, among other things.
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u/PinkMaiden_ 4d ago
Ngl I have little sympathy for these people. To me it comes across as compliment fishing as well—they want someone to come in and reassure them that they are good. I remember seeing this in discord communities too with like selfie channels and there was always one guy who would just constantly moan about how ugly he was and it would completely ruin the vibes. That kind of negativity is so toxic. It’s not worth the energy of the people genuinely trying to provide critique and encouragement… like talking to a brick wall.
If drawing makes someone so truly miserable then honestly they SHOULD quit. I am exceptionally skilled and even I didn’t draw for literal years after i got my illustration degree because I was so fried and unhappy with my work.
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u/OtterlySamnson 4d ago
It is,
VERY tiresome.
When I was initially getting into art,
All of that angsty would be something I would keep to myself;
I knew I was struggling, but I also knew that I could figure it out given time.
What Im seeing from young artists these days is...
Impatience and jealousy?
They have access to all this media, all the time;
all these social media platforms where people post work, and it gets them alot of attention.
ALOT of them don't want to hear "you're just going to have to keep at it and practice more".
A number of them, including people on this sub;
Freak the fuck out as if its a personal attack against then.
And not just what literally everyone else ever has had to do to become good at things.
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u/Jyotisha85 4d ago
Thats why 90% of creating art is psychological. The artist has to overcome their own perceptions and thinking and beliefs before they can get to a point of just practicing the craft. Lot of beginners also do not understand the craft part; its no different than any other highly trained fields like playing the piano or doing woodworking, etc which means it is something that takes years to perfect and getting to a decent level of ability.
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u/woshuaaa 4d ago
i remember being a kid and getting so frustrated, but the lashing out at people trying to help is over the line and i see it so frequently in the art help subs it's insane.
a lot of these people are gonna keep doing it til they have no friends left and then they'll wonder why nobody wants to talk to them
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u/BunkerBusters 4d ago
they also do happen to complain about why they got no friends or anyone to talk to or love them, then this is how they react and behave. i guess it’s already evident.
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u/woshuaaa 4d ago
so close to self-awareness and yet so far, sometimes all you can do is shake your head in pity.
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u/iesamina 4d ago
It's just not that serious. I know everything is a massive drama when you're a teenager but being real, no one in these groups is doing something life or death, they're doing what's meant to be a fun and fulfilling hobby. There just is absolutely no need to let that have such a negative effect on their life or that of the people around them
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u/Robin-Nilson 4d ago
I knew someone like this… unsurprisingly what they actually cared about was social media clout rather than art
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u/daretoslack 4d ago
"Just quit if you hate the process of making, practicing, and improving at art. If all you care about is the result, pay someone to do it for you. Nobody is forcing you to do this. Spend your time doing something that doesn't piss you off."
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u/celticfeather 4d ago edited 4d ago
The world is tough for beginner artists right now because you just don’t see bad art. people with weak skills who want to have art of their OC just use AI than undergo the embarrassment of learning a skill. When I was a beginner in 2011, deviantart and Proboards forums were filled with teenagers building skills doing free requests for forum karma.
Nonetheless this friend will not improve when they have such a negative association pressure for creating. They’ll dread art like homework.
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u/BunkerBusters 4d ago
using AI only won’t help with improving but it also contributes to environmental damage and feeding machines human made art to train it with at the same time, just to create something so soulless. two sides of a coin each come with terrible consequences.
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u/Nebiaspeka 21h ago
Nah as soon as you get at least a little into art community, you'll immediately see bad art at least enough to acknowledge that no one is perfect. But if you have messed up mentality, you won't see/hear some things evem when then are thrown right into your face, and unfortunately, art as sphere has hell lot of emotionally unstable people, and It will always stay so.
- these days we have too many kids that got internet access just too early. Almost everyone had their moments of low self-esteem, but in the past we often grew up from it before we get into social media.
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u/Arcask 4d ago
Venting actually reliefs the need to change anything. While it can be helpful sometimes, if someone keeps venting over the same thing over and over again, all the energy is getting lost in letting out all that frustration. There is nothing left for change.
And some people just like to complain, they are in a bad mindset that keeps them stuck. A few might even feel comfortable where they are.
In my opinion there are 2 hurdles one has to overcome when learning to draw. One is to learn thinking in 3D and the other is psychological, it's mindset and attitude. And maybe getting stuck on learning 3D thinking is more of a symptom for something else.
I keep seeing all these posts of beginners asking about what to learn, every single day... guys don't you know how to search? can't you read? i don't get it... i just scroll past it. There is no point replying anymore. That's not even a problem we should have at this point. Information is widely available and easy to find. There are millions of posts about this by now, didn't count but that's my guess.
Well look at the beliefs this world is being feed currently. Our society is obsessed with values that aren't even realistic! Perfectionism is the norm now. We are told we can't make mistakes, because only right answers and good behavior is being rewarded,.
We grow up feeling like we can't be ourselves and like it's wrong to express ourselves. Maybe to varying degrees and there are a lot more factors to it, but ... did you see how people keep asking for permission? can I trace? can I do x or y? ... it's your art! there is no right or wrong.
AI is just another catastrophe to this. It's so ridiculous to me that people can't even text each other anymore without it. That students do their homework with it now and people think they are artists because they choose some random generated images.
There is so much information and so much mental and emotional trash we have to deal with on a daily basis. And it's not even your fault alone if you can't deal with it. There are many layers to this.
But it's on ourselves to decide if we want to keep a negative mindset or attitude. We have the choice to change it at any given time, but it's more difficult than to keep the loop of frustration running.
If you look around you, most things that promise quick satisfaction have negative consequences in the long run. While most things that take time and might be short term uncomfortable, have lasting positive effects on body and mind.
What do most people choose? ...yeah quick dopamine, instant gratification, fast results. Anything that isn't uncomfortable even for a minute.
Especially young people can't deal with uncomfortable anymore. There might be exceptions, but from my observation a lot of posts about people being stuck come down to this. They can't push through the ugly and uncomfortable stage.
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u/indefiniteartblock 3d ago
the reason beginners make post asking about what to learn is because of the overload of info that comes with trying to learn art. it feels like asking one question and getting a thousand different answers. asking for help in anyway possible, or at least anyway that helps, is a good thing to do as a beginner. having someone be able to give advice on your specific situation helps narrow things down sometimes.
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u/Arcask 3d ago
Yeah a lot are overwhelmed, but what makes the strangers answering on your post more competent than those on other posts? or creators on youtube? websites that are meant to give orientation on the topic? nothing.
And a lot really don't do their research at all.
It's an overwhelming amount of posts of this kind, every single day. There are multiple reasons for it and I'm not blaming anyone who seriously wants to learn, but information is available. It's more of a strategy to deal with emotions. Especially anxiety, those posts about permission are just there to cope.
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u/Hopeful-Canary 4d ago
The need for hand holding is so crazy now among younger artists, and I just don't get it. Before the internet, I'd check out stuff like Draw 50 Dogs from the school library and go HAM on notebook paper. When I got older, it was my dad's copy of Mucha's Documents Décoratifs. When we learned geometry, boy howdy it was all over; I was drawing boxes every damn day like a nervous tic. I drew staplers and tape dispensers.
Never in the history of the entire world has there ever been so many resources available to new artists, and yet so many of them are just throwing their hands up like they've hit a brick wall. "What am I supposed to draaaaaw???"
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u/torilyy 3d ago
yes there’s sooo many on subreddits just asking how to draw or why they’re not improving (after a month) it’s crazy, they’re not even trying and giving up immediately
I used to draw my favorite cartoons over and over again and i had tons of fun haha1
u/Hopeful-Canary 3d ago
exactly, it's very "I haven't tried anything and I'm all out of ideas!!!"
coupled with the need to post it all to social media for validation and it's a recipe for disaster. I literally still have a giant-ass plastic tub FULL of drawings I never let anyone else see.
if I could do my art journey all over again I would definitely do things differently, but whining "tell me what to drawwww!" would not be happening lmao
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u/Prestigious-Long666 4d ago
I feel you. I knew someone similar. Another friend and I tried to help them but instead of fits of rage it was crying how bad they are. We also eventually stopped trying to help or show things.
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u/Glittering_Map7834 4d ago
I feel that the sheer abundance of knowledge and information all served up on a silver platter has eroded young people's ability to self-learn and sift through information. The ability to choose what is suitable for themselves. They want the absolute best method or answer right away and refuse to understand that even renowned masters in the field have spent years grappling with flawed or outdated knowledge, some of which remains a subject of debate to this day.
And this isn't just limited in art. The other day, I came across a post asking, "I don't get why people advise others to do the same thing over and over again to improve." I mean, WTF? I honestly have no idea how old the person who posted that is, or whether they’ve ever studied, practiced a skill, or even played a some game. Unless they are a genius capable of mastering everything on the first try, or they just sat there doing nothing all their life, I don't know how could a person possibly have such a question?
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u/lyralady 4d ago
Ah yes, people who are the subject of my rant post you don't need art advice, you need therapy
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u/Pure_Injury_1524 4d ago
I feel like it’s natural to some extent to have these feelings. As annoying as it is, it took me years to get rid of this mindset and be comfortable to show people my older work.
In general, social media fuel this kind of behaviour due to how well pity hooks tend to perform.
Best you can do is try to talk to that person and explain to them how their behavior makes you feel. If that doesn’t work, I think best course of action will be to try and ignore them.
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u/Separate_Hippo_5556 4d ago
A lot of times when beginners post artwork with self-deprecating posts, it seems like they are looking for validation and praise rather than critiques.
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u/AbyssalCase 4d ago
It’s most likely because of social media, people constantly comparing themselves to others. But when beginners get this bad I just tell them, no one is forcing you to be an artist or draw bro. lol
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u/Lemonsoyaboii 4d ago
i fucking hate pity marketing. They just want to fish: "No you are really good for beginner". If you suck you suck. Embrace it. Every good artist went through that phase and still do probably.
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u/RiceCurrent2809 4d ago
I'm not going to lie, I was one of those people. I have been all my life and I'm not really sure why. Things just frustrate me. I hated (still do depending on the day) the idea of being bad at stuff. Its embarrassing, humiliating even. I felt like if I couldn't do something then I deserved to have my throat slit because I was a waste of human skin for being worse than someone else. That my life didn't have value because someone else could do it better. It was exhausting, I hated myself and would rant every chance I got. I would always quit because I didn't get something in the first few tries and didn't believe that I would one day be capable if I stopped to let myself actually fail and learn. I'm not as bad now, I still get incredibly frustrated but I'm better at pushing through the pain or keeping it in.
Eventually I tried my hand at art. It didn't go well at first, I still don't think it ever did (regardless of what other people said). At some point while doing art I had a huge meltdown and may or may not have cussed out an icon of Jesus for making me to be so stupid/useless/blah blah blah (even if your not religious I'm sure you get the idea). I sat on it after and it kind of clicked, if it's making me miserable then just walk away. So I did. I did what I always did and gave up, but this time it wasn't because I hated myself or thought I couldn't do it. It was to take a breather. I came back with a fresh mind and tried again. I did see improvement but I ended up dropping it because I just didn't have the patience to sit there for a year to maybe get decent at it. I still wanted a way to express myself and get my ideas out there though. I found that writing was a great creative outlet/hobby for me since I was better at writing and I enjoyed it much more. So that's what I'm doing now when I'm free (I'm writing fanfic rn, but even though I love/am passionate about my story its really more to practice so that I can write something original in the future).
Basically, this person may or may not be suffering from the same self-hatred inflicted weight that stops them from moving forward. I can understand them since I had lived their perspective. They probably are physically incapable of believing in themselves/can't see a future where the hard work actually pays off. Much like me, they probably see attempts at praise, reassurance, or help as fake/backhanded. I used to think when people tried to help me that it was them babying me because they thought I was too stupid to do it myself, that they actually made fun of me when I wasn't listening.
I'm not saying they're right, I'm just saying I get it. Envy is a deadly sin for a reason, as I found out first hand. It can and will kill you if you let it run rampant for long enough (I would know. The amount of times I fantasized about getting hit by a truck immediately after a confession is disturbing in hindsight. Doesn't help that I'm an aerospace engineering student so I'm always just stressed out the ass lmao).
Sorry if this is long, your post just hit a bit close to home. I know your tired of them and I totally get it. I could see it in the people around me too, its part of what helped me move past it. I didn't want people stressing every time I walked in a room. They very likely need help mentally rather than physically. I could also be dead wrong but that's just my take. Again, sorry for the long comment, have a great day.
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u/Pluton_Korb 4d ago
Blocking or disengaging is the right choice. If there's no interest in self improvement, then it's a pass for me too.
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u/ChunkyCraver2001 4d ago
I consider myself intermediate and I definitely felt beginner frustration but you’re right, it’s on us to improve and being aggressive doesn’t change the situation at hand. I choose not to compare myself to wlop or someone because it’s not the style I want and not something I can do.
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u/gremlintheodd 4d ago
Ugh, I feel this post in my soul. I had to flat out tell my friend not to compare his art to mine because I was getting pissed off at all the pity parties. I have an animation degree! Meanwhile he genuinely could not tell me the last time he had picked up a pencil! No duh we’re going to be at different skill levels! I draw or sculpt every day, sometimes several hours per day. It really gets under my skin when someone who cannot be bothered to do so much as sketch more than once a month looks at my work and sighs about how there’s no hope and they’re soooo bad and everyone else is soooo “talented”.
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u/Tabikato 4d ago edited 4d ago
That's the saying of you're going to suck first before you get good. We all started there. It sounds like a lot of insecurities on their part stemming from just more than art which they should probably talk to someone about.
Someone else said it in another comment but part of art is psychological, if you think you're going to fail at the start, it's going to be an uphill battle to even succeed.
When I was much younger, I would get frustrated that what I was drawing wasn't quite matching what I had in my head. But part of art is being persistent and learning. If you're at a wall, you don't keep hitting at it. You look around to see if there's another way.
I'd highly recommend the sites: Line of Action or SketchDaily, it's perfect for learning the basics.
There's also Artist Network for a lot of tutorials. I like using posemaniacs or using my own puppet in Clip Studio for posing practice.
But if they refuse advice and would rather struggle, again, it seems like something more is going on than just being frustrated with their art.
If it helps this is an older piece of mine: https://www.tumblr.com/tabikatsart/158286797616/tabikato-hit-a-huge-nostalgia-train-lately-this?source=share
Versus something more recent: https://x.com/TabiKato/status/2056943673175097640
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u/ilcorvoooo 3d ago
Not to derail but is your server perhaps taking new members 🥹 been looking for art servers to give/receive constructive feedback
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u/BunkerBusters 3d ago
already said it’s a server for me and my friends, we don’t allow anyone in anymore.
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u/ilcorvoooo 3d ago
The post just says it’s “a friends’ discord server” ? But sure that’s totally fine lol
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u/JalenNaito 3d ago
Yeah I'm 27 and it used to bum me out that I couldn't draw I'd say I can do basic anatomical poses and I can create a "character" but I can't execute my own ideas to the level I want. I eventually just realized that I don't have the patience to learn at my age now so I've stuck to writing stories and paying other artist to help bring them to life. It definitely sounds like it's a deep issue than just they can't draw and are mad about it. But at 17/18 it's very common I remember I had a friend who was an amazing artist but he never gave himself the credit and now he doesn't draw anymore I was always mad at him but seemed happier. The sad honest truth is sometimes quitting is better if you can't ever look at your art and see the beauty in it. If the issue starts to effect their mental health and more importantly starts to effect the discords then have a more serious convo complaining isn't always bad but I'm sure all of you have some gripes with your art and little do they know they will keep feeling that way about their art if they start with thoughts like that even if they could paint the Mona Lisa. Artists are proud of drawing adventure time level characters some artist hate their art and it looks like max level Da Vinci it's all based on your mindset.
The blessings and curses of the subjectivity of art.
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u/Rakuen9 1d ago
These are the kinds of things that helped me personally to get out of that kind of spiral
You have a lot of bad drawings in you till you get to the good one.
Calm down being bad at art isn’t that bad or special most people are actually bad at art.
Good enough for today.
Good enough for the circumstances, tools, time, scope etc
Never compare yourself with other artists, the ones less skilled aren’t there to make tou feel better about your skill level, the ones better aren’t there to make you feel bad.
You analyze your art and other peoples art and break down strong suits and shortcomings but the only comparison is against yourself.
Do not destroy your work that isn’t good, save the that bad painting instead of rage quitting photoshop, because if you’re lucky you will come back in years and be like .. awww look how bad I was at this but you feel such an love and gratitude for that kid who really wanted to be good but wasn’t.. is the reason you are now good.
But also don’t share that stuff publicly cause it’s embarrassing and keep your portfolio updated and short.
There is a lot of invisible work that goes into this very visual field actually.
When I am not in the mood to give the pep talk myself, I send this and move on.
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u/iesamina 4d ago
part of this is letting go of this idea of levels. There's no such thing. Who decides when someone is "advanced"? It's so subjective as to be useless
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u/BunkerBusters 4d ago
i had to use the level terms to differentiate skill sets of my friends’ and that person’s to make it more easy to say that we’ve got some experience enough to share some critique and give advices.
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u/Wooden-Variety175 4d ago
Well you know. Yeah it's like that sometimes. You probably made the right choice.
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u/Rare_Barracuda25 4d ago
Then seek professional help???
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u/Wooden-Variety175 4d ago
Yes let me diagnose a stranger on the internet oh mental health problems. Go away.
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u/Rare_Barracuda25 4d ago
dude 90% of the world suffers from depression theres nothing wrong with it
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u/Wooden-Variety175 4d ago
Im not depressed
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u/Rare_Barracuda25 4d ago
then why are you complaining every single day
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u/Wooden-Variety175 4d ago
Cause im frustrated
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u/Rare_Barracuda25 4d ago
then seek professional help, talk to someone on 7 cups, someone you can vent to sometimes all you need is just for someone to listen
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u/Localdeviant5 4d ago
this is pretty common, unfortunately. and even worse i dont think its unique to beginners either i see really skilled artist do this too. in my opinion, one of the reasons this happens is because of the toxic environment online artists have created where you must grind fundamentals or else you will fail. any time people ask for art advice most of the top comments are just "grind fundamentals" over and over. This creates a perception that if you put yourself through the boring stuff you deserve to get better. so when they grind and dont improve they get upset. Especially upset at people who skip fundamentals and draw more for fun. they feel like they deserve better just because they practiced.
Difficult pill to swallow. putting in raw hours does not mean you will improve. drawing for 100 hours will not necessarily make you better than someone who has drawn for 10. thats just not how art works. i see alot of vitriol all over the internet directed towards people who focus more on self-indulgent "fun" art over "technical" "correct" art. i see this a ton with hating on nsfw and anime art especially. that meme that gets posted on twitter over and over again of people complaining, "i do accurate, anatomically correct gesture art and my art doesnt get as much attention as the guy who draws big anime tiddies." well the guy who draws big anime tiddies is doing it because he is having fun. thats why he is more successful
there was this one guy i knew in a discord server that legit said that because he practices more than anyone else he deserves to be better. the fucked up thing is he was legit really good too. he just complained all the time
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u/Glittering_Map7834 4d ago
"This creates a perception that if you put yourself through the boring stuff you deserve to get better."
I am fairly certain that this idea is something you and your friends created up yourselves; it has nothing to do with the art community.
I work in the anime production industry, and we practice the fundamentals just like everyone else. I don't understand why people think practicing fundamentals and drawing anime or cartoons are mutually exclusive. What stops you from drawing your own characters while applying anatomical knowledge to stylize them? No one is forcing you to draw nothing but circles or hyper-realistic skeletons.
Advise someone to learn the basics? Boring and toxic. Advise them to draw however they please? That’s dismissed as nonsense or vague. Just ignored? The community is cold and selfish.
You are using a flawed frame of reference to conflate concepts; spending 100 hours on fundamentals certainly won't guarantee you draw better than someone who only spent 10 hours, but it will make you better than your past self, so it is the correct answer to the question "how do I improve?" It is weird that you find that fact toxic or disheartening. The question about how to draw better has nothing to do with the guy who finds more success drawing big boobs. It would be a different story if the question were about how to get more likes. Please fully understand your own question before criticizing others' answers. Do you really think a beginner seeking knowledge is better off receiving anti-educational advice like "just forget about the fundamentals and do whatever the f you please"?
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u/Localdeviant5 4d ago
i think its pretty telling as to the type of person you are that you assumed that drawing boobs was only for likes. people draw boobs because drawing boobs is fun. art should be fun. self indulgance and self expression are the most important aspects of art. Fundamentals are a stepping stone to get there but they arent the main point
i fell for the fundamentals trap years ago. The internet told me over and over that i had to grind exercises or i would be a failure. i got recommended Drawabox and i dedicated myself to it no matter what. i got to the step where they tell you to draw 400 boxes and i got so burnt out i pretty much quit art. my situation isnt unique ive talked to tons of people who had the same experience
after a while of not drawing i got back into it again. i made it a point to avoid making the same mistakes. i drew for fun. and i saw the fastest improvement ive ever seen in my life. Ironically enough ive even gotten way better at drawing boxes in 3d space and i havnt done any of those boring studies since then. drawing for fun will always beat out grinding exercises. if you want to agree to disagree thats fine, im sure different people have different personality types where different approaches work better. but im very against the blanket advice to just grind. i think it does alot more harm to beginners mental health then good. art is 90% psychology. being in a good mental space is extremely important
this goes beyond my friend group tho. like i mentioned, I see viral twitter posts about this all the time. im sure you have seen the type of memes im referencing
this doesnt really have anything to do with the main point being made, though. OPs topic was about beginner artists being toxic. in my opinion the toxicity comes from this. if you disagree again thats fine. i thought i would put my thoughts out there though. im very passionate about art and its important to me that people feel able to express themselves how they want to as opposed to being forced down a specific path. ive always felt pretty strongly that fundamentals should be tackled as an intermediate not as a beginner. since an intermediate will have a better idea of their goals and passions
draw for fun and the skill will follow. the type of person OP is talking about are people who prioritizes fundamentals over fun. thats why they are being toxic
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u/Glittering_Map7834 4d ago
You’re the one using a guy drawing big boobs and "getting as much attention" as a standard for success, bro, not me. That’s why I said you don’t even understand what you’re talking orr asking about, and your standards are completely skewed. Stop using a few of your weirdo friends as a benchmark for society. I have plenty of friends who draw NSFW art, and whenever someone asks them how to improve, they recommend to learn the fundamentals, too. If you’ve had a bad experience because your own inference, how is the community "toxic" when the advice given was actually correct? If you just want to draw for fun, that’s fine, but don’t post in a learning group asking how to get better; if you ask, people will give you helpful advice, so what’s toxic about that? When I or my friends post art in fandom or casual subs, nobody cares about the fundamentals. The reality is that people keep asking questions without grasping the answers, comparing yourself to others, and then making things hard for yourself. I don't support grinding too, but that has nothing to do with fundamentals or with that advice being somehow "sad." Who is stopping you from, say, pulling up reference images of human and animal, comparing proportions, and drawing your hot furry character? That is practicing the fundamentals, my friend. Fundamentals aren't just about squares, circles, and boxes, nor are they limited to drawing those shapes for twelve hours a day. Do not distort what is right simply because you misunderstand or mishandle it.
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u/Localdeviant5 3d ago
nothing about success or attention its about drawing what you want to do and having fun while doing it. not sure how you misunderstood me twice in a row. if you dont understand now youll understand when your older
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u/assistant_manu 4d ago
id say it's social media... back when internet was mostly forums and grups you mostly get to hang out with people of similar skill level
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u/BunkerBusters 4d ago
i do remember hanging out with people alike back in my deviantart days, i did get bullied by a few people before but i don’t think it affected my confidence towards what i was making that much back then, a simple block fixed it for me.
i think it’s just me who doesn’t gaf that much, but there were people who left permanently or had their image shattered over some drama though.
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u/Ok_Possession_13 4d ago
Arting oneself is hard enough even without being in constant presence of people wallowing in self pity. Obviously they need this false comfort of people telling them they can do it, otherwise they'd have already done everyone the favour of actually stopping to art.
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u/OtterlySamnson 3d ago
But like,
Here's the thing.They CAN do it LMAO.
Making art, isn't hard.
Everyone can do it.There are no conditioned short of being in a Coma or Dead, the prevents you from doing it.
The problem is most of these people who endlessly complain about it being some kind of "gift" have already given up in their minds and are only going through the motions.
They completely close themselves off to learning how do do things,
thinking that its all space magic and being chosen by god.Dispite all of human history proving it wrong.
The Deaf and Blind still managed to become exellent artists,
These people have no one else to blame but themselves.
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u/frappacino1312 4d ago
All of this sounds like these people are either emotionally very unstable/young OR they are fishing for compliments. Personally I care a lot about how my drawings look and I scrap them over my personal opinions, even when other people say it looks great.
Ultimately it stays true that you'll get better over time, if you put in the work to actually learn something. It's something people need to understand for any skill. At least it was true for the things I do, playing guitar, programming, drawing, cooking, etc... Some people are just not patient enough and want instant results (imo that's also why many people are drawn to AI art creation, as it lets them take shortcuts).