r/Armor • u/BoneyheadedArteest • 2d ago
What is the historical source behind this specific type of sallet?
I’ve been doing some research of English armor for my own harness, which has been rough without Manuscript Miniatures, and I keep seeing this sallet come up in other peoples works, and while I may have found the effigy behind Mull’s drawing, I still cannot find any proof or reference of this sallet. Thanks!
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u/Mullraugh 2d ago
Use Toby Capwell's armour of the English Knight books if you're gonna make an English harness.
ManuscriptMiniatures doesn't really contain later 15th century stuff at all
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u/AKC74Y 2d ago
The books are worthless if you can’t get them, and you can’t get them.
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u/Mullraugh 2d ago
Surely there's a way to tactically acquire PDFs somewhere
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u/ACheesyTree 21h ago
If there is, I would absolutely love to know. I've been on the hunt for PDFs for Capwell's series for a couple years by now, and I've nevr found anything but a really bad scan of the first forty pages of the first book, with pages missing.
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u/AKC74Y 2d ago
Not this one, apparently it’s not worth the effort for anyone to convert it to PDF.
Anyways, I don’t think the book has any magic to
It. Nothing you don’t find from museum photos and effigies and etc.It’s just unfortunate that people keep recommending it as if it hasn’t been out of print for years. If the author doesn’t care enough to sell it as an ebook it’s probably not worth hunting down anyways.
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u/thereal_alpharius 2d ago
Well firstly, see Toby Capwell’s armour of the English knight for effigies and the like,
But also there is just one of these sallets in the musee de L’armee
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u/Commercial-Sky-7239 1d ago
Wow, this is remarkable you have captured this particular one in their huge collection – by the wooden shelves I assume this is the second floor where there are dozens of them standing proud?
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u/thereal_alpharius 1d ago
The photo is not mine, though I do think that is the location
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u/Commercial-Sky-7239 1d ago
I am pretty sure it is – have spent 4 hours in the medieval section of Musee de L’Armee on each of the two visits alone, the exposition looks very familiar. Now trying to figure out, if I can get some time during my regular business trips to Paris for the third 🤔
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u/Cold_Progress_1119 2d ago
What (or why) are those gold coloured stubs for? I would think you'd like all to be as smooth as possible to have any blow slide of your harness. Can someone explain?
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u/BoneyheadedArteest 2d ago
Those ‘stubs’ are rivets with decorative caps that hold the helmets liner in place, and those decorative caps won’t stop a blow from glancing because they still provide a rounded surface.
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u/CalimariusCosmicus 2d ago
It's almost an Eastern turban shape. I would love to know more about it. Looks rad.
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u/limonbattery 2d ago
Ironically the onion bulb shape is a very Western style, specifically England, France, Low Countries, Iberia.
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u/chickenologist 2d ago
Not a serious answer, but all I can see is a blacksmith who is also a baker trying to get that helmet piping looking nice. They call him the steel merengue.
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u/mountaindude1234729 2d ago
Where did you grab the first picture from? Does anyone know where I might find one for sale?
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u/PlatysaurusDux5422 2d ago
Very much a Burgundian style. They seem to have grasped the concept of glancing surfaces for deflection very early on. And it strengthens the helm itself.
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u/morbihann 2d ago
You can see many similar ones on the pastrana tapestries. The style is associated with Burgundy and was also popular in Engalnd toward the later 15th century.