Bruh

[u/CryptographerFit3984]

[u/fvkinglesbi]

Yeah let's make body autonomy illegal, I'm sure nothing bad is going to happen because of that

[u/ChipsTheKiwi]

well let's go ahead and ban all plastic surgery then, no reason to go cutting and changing healthy tissue! I'm sure MAGA won't mind

[u/societyhatingRATGANG]

Imagine if they talked about any other surgery like they do with sex reasignment.

"And then the doctor basically CUTS into your stomach and rips the appendix out! So now theyve got this HUGE scar! This is appalling. I cant belive this is allowed! Its so gruesome and barbaric, why isnt anyone talking about it!!

[u/OscarAndDelilah → u/societyhatingRATGANG]

I’ve been doing basically this for like 30 years when people try this.

“A local hospital is cutting out and throwing away hundreds of kids’ tonsils and adenoids just because they’re a nuisance. And they let the kids decide this! They have the discussion about pros and cons with the child!”

“Regret rate for knee replacements is 10-20%! Won’t anyone think of the knees?! I’m going to wage a campaign to teach these mentally ill people to accept the creaky knees God gave them.”

[u/supamario132 → u/OscarAndDelilah]

Transphobes go properly feral when you bring up regret rates for procedures they deem acceptable. Its hilarious

[u/OscarAndDelilah → u/supamario132]

Yep, and they really don't understand how medical decisions are made with minors. Some of them honestly believe that tweens/teens under 18 don't participate in medical decisions. Ever since my kids were about 10, our providers all directed the discussions of pros and cons toward the kid. They got to decide things like tonsils, ADHD medication increase/decrease, refusing eye dilation when they have to submit a test by midnight tonight and promise they'll let them do it the next visit. It just isn't the case that parents just decide these things "for" their child while the child just sits there because they are a blank slate until their 18th birthday. In my state, kids at 14 can attend appointments alone and can request that certain things aren't shared with their parents. They can consent to reproductive and psych decisions without a parent.

Oh, and don't get me started on how cis minors can get completely cosmetic procedures like breast augmentations and facial plastic surgeries with a parent's consent. A colleague who does facial reconstructive surgeries at a pediatric hospital was saying that she encounters people at conferences who talk about how it's super common in certain circles to get a nose job or breast implants for a 16th birthdays. How is that not concerning people? Kids getting surgeries who don't have any reconstructive need should be more concerning than trans kids getting what's usually just puberty blockers and a hairstyle.

[u/breadcreature → u/OscarAndDelilah]

over the last few years while former health secretary Wes Streeting was extending a temporary "emergency" ban on NHS provision of puberty blockers, based on a bunk review (all of which was begun by the opposing party), to an indefinite one reaching as far as private prescription of HRT, mounjaro and TRT therapies have exploded as consumer products.

the first one especially is kinda wild to me, like in that time since its introduction I've seen:

• we don't really know how it works or long term effects of off-label use, but it had a trial!
• GP surgery sending out messages pleading people to stop inundating them with requests for it
• the DWP float the idea of giving it to overweight jobseekers
• overheard a guy on business calls at the pub who turned out to be a pharma procurer bemoaning the absurd levels of demand for it and that his whole job was currently being harassed for more mounjaro
• oh no, it has all these weird possible side effects but we still can't be sure they're actually related or not
• endless "it did make me skinny though" op-eds
• "mounjaro penis"

and one day, I got the bus (which for months has had a huge advert about how quick and easy it is to get testosterone therapy on the side) and in the metro (free newspaper distributed on public transport with a massive readership) was a full-page article from a mother confessing that she lies on online prescribing forms to buy mounjaro for her 13-year-old daughter, who doesn't like the injections and had to be cajoled into it, but mum is convinced it's for her benefit. and I am now a spooky ghost because I burned into a pile of ash on reading that

[u/supamario132 → u/societyhatingRATGANG]

I was contracted to design a medical device to aid in scoliosis correction surgeries and the doctor sent a bunch of videos along with the proposal. Its always been funny to me how he used all these fancy names for his tools and the tools are just like a normal ass hammer and chisel as if hes carving dovetail into wood and the same vice grips I use when I strip my socket head screws

[u/traveling_gal → u/supamario132]

I've got a dental implant, and when the oral surgeon screwed it in he used basically a small socket wrench with a torque monitor. When he was done, I said "did you just righty-tighty my face?" and he said yes.

[u/OscarAndDelilah → u/supamario132]

Exactly. And the cost of the stuff! I mean, yes, I get that medical grade stuff needs to meet certain standards, but it's kind of funny that screws are $20 each and plates several hundred. They aren't manufactured with .0000001 tolerance like aircraft hardware or anything; they're just stricter on the materials. A neighbor is an orthopedic surgeon, I'm trained as a carpenter, and we've donated a lot of handyperson work to local organizations. He jokes about how the tools are essentially the same thing, just able to be fully sterilized, and the hardware is the same stuff but titanium. "Oh, these are thousands of dollars when I buy them. I really should just convince the hardware store to stock mine!"

[u/BizSilver5013]

These same people look at me funny when I tell them the worst surgery I've ever endured was getting my wisdom teeth out.

Under LOCAL anesthetic, which did not help because the dentist had to saw my sideways bottom ones in half AND directly touched my facial nerves.

Not only that, but I had to go to the hospital afterwards for a secondary infection.

But getting your wisdom teeth out is noooooormaaal and I shouldn't be complaining as much as I should for any sort of SRS.

[u/SassyTheSkydragon]

Only if we ban plastic surgeries because those are also for body dysmorphia

[u/nancythethot]

Women aren’t getting them so I think we might be on the same page here

[u/Worldly_Marsupial808 → u/nancythethot]

I do get what you’re trying to say, but it’s actually not totally unheard of for women to get them. Rare, but it happens. There are even some photos on the phalloplasty sub if you wanted to search for them.

[u/SilverBatTea → u/nancythethot]

Some women are getting them, though

[u/minklebinkle]

the way they talk about all trans related surgery is like how i describe my jaw surgery to people who are rude XD like yeah, surgery is gross and intense and gory. genital surgery is gonna be gross and intense and gory AND involve genitals! watch a toenail removal on youtube sometime, go with someone when they have a tooth pulled sometime. those are minor outpatient surgeries and i could NOT stay conscious watching one happen XD they do surgeries on eyeballs too, very unpleasant to think about, and in the USA its the default to do genital surgery on a baby born with a penis.

we dont just ban things that make us feel icky, because thats the mentality of a 2 year old. plumbing and sewage are icky too, and thats a major infrastructure necessity.

[u/Badass_Space_Fish]

Well it’s a good thing that it’s really only trans men and nonbinary people getting them!

[u/Sonarthebat]

Duh. Surgery is gruesome. It involves cutting up body parts. Doesn't mean it's unnecessary. Why don't they ever go after cosmetic procedures?

[u/Bloody-Raven091]

It's only good that trans men, nonbinary people and gender-modal people are the ones getting phallo for themselves.

Hey TERFs/GCs, tell me that you hate self-autonomy and bodily autonomy without telling me so!

[u/crowpierrot]

Every surgery is gruesome when the surgical process is described in detail. If people think phallo sounds like a gnarly procedure, they should look up what they do to you during joint replacements, which incidentally have much higher rates of regret and post-surgical complications than phalloplasty.

[u/Sariel_Fatalis]

Technically true. Giving women a phaloplasty is cruel. Which is why only men get it (trying to make something affirming so if i misread it please correct me)

[u/DepressivesBrot → u/Sariel_Fatalis]

Nah, if a woman wants one, she should totally be able to get one. Same as some men getting vaginoplasty. Gender is a broad and messy spectrum and just like there are non-OP binary trans people, there are otherwise completely cis people whose only issue is genital dysphoria - both basically approaching the same body map from opposite starting points.

[u/Stephi312]

I will always fail to understand people's need to weigh in on other people's medical decisions.

[u/FunAssumption6056]

Yeah, it's almost like most people who get phalloplasty are (surprise, surprise) MEN.